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Community => Descent Gameplay => Topic started by: Texace12 on November 21, 2011, 02:45:00 PM

Title: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Texace12 on November 21, 2011, 02:45:00 PM
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14. Kaiaatsel
Today at 10:19:34
True, the Descent gameplay forum has no activity because it's all in the Box O' Helium!

13. -<WillyP>-
Today at 08:24:32
You guys should move this discussion to the forum.

12. Alieo
Today at 01:59:50
Yeah, having a full map for all D2 levels would totally defeat the purpose of a guide bot but also make it a bit more challenging too. I like that idea.

11. Kaiaatsel
Yesterday at 23:32:30
On the other hand though, having a full map for one level that you shouldn't have it isn't that bad.
I usually play with built-in full map because I think that's how Parallax should have done it.

10. Kaiaatsel
Yesterday at 23:32:29
On the other hand though, having a full map for one level that you shouldn't have it isn't that bad.
I usually play with built-in full map because I think that's how Parallax should have done it.

9. Kaiaatsel
Yesterday at 23:30:46
For the full inventory, all you can really do is uncheck everything, kill yourself, then pick up only what you should have (on level 10 I think it's probably everything but the full map because that level doesn't have one).

8. Kaiaatsel
Yesterday at 23:29:44
I see.
Umm...
If you've already saved your game there's not much you can do about it...
Maybe just drop all the guns you shouldn't have with Shift-F5?

7. Alieo
Yesterday at 15:05:01
Let me rephrase... I was on D2 Lvl 10 normally, saved game, quit, came back and started D1 Level 6 fully loaded, quit that, came back to my D2 Lvl 10 game, and I had the omega cannon... yes I know you can't have an Omega Cannon in D1, but I just checked everything in case I was going to select a D2

6. Alieo
Yesterday at 15:00:51
No, it's on counterstrike, and yep, it's probably because I started this mission fully loaded, then came back to my game with a full inventory, full map and all! lol

5. Kaiaatsel
2011-11-19, 19:09:30
Yap.  But that means you can get it.  I don't want to give away how to do it if it's a secret level -- Because I know I prefer to find those myself.

4. Sapphire Wolf
2011-11-19, 18:27:09
But the only way to get the Omega Cannon in Vertigo Level 4 is going to secret level 1.

3. Kaiaatsel
2011-11-19, 15:28:20
Wait, are you playing D2 Counterstrike or the Vertigo expansion?

Because in the Vertigo mission it's possible to get an Omega cannon on level 4.

2. Kaiaatsel
2011-11-19, 09:06:06
You find it in level 13 and there's a tricky puzzle to get it -- involving phoenix cannon (meaning that, because the level has no phoenix cannons you can't get the omega cannon from a cold start).  On level 14 it's easier to get and in level 16 it's just in an out-of-the-way room, not even a secret.

1. Alieo
2011-11-19, 05:19:43
What level does the Omega Cannon debut in D2? Because I'm on level 10, and I noticed that it happened to be in my inventory. Maybe I accidently enabled it for a separate mission on D2X-XL and didn't even notice? Hmm...

Edit: added numbers. Also, WillyP is right. Kaia, if you didn't use the shout box at ALL, and only posted, your post count could reach numbers nearing the national debt!
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on November 21, 2011, 05:00:33 PM
To your last point
Umm... that's why I use the shoutbox.  It gets less annoying for everyone else, trust me.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: NUMBERZero on November 21, 2011, 05:10:45 PM
The Omega cannon can be acquired in level 13. IDK how you got it in 10. I've got the level on YouTube and I show how to get it.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Texace12 on November 21, 2011, 05:31:49 PM
No, it was an accident. I enabled it when I loaded my ship with weapons in D2X-XL when I started another game, as explained above. But hey, I'm not going to dump it! I'll have fun using it on the Level 12 boss!

Edit: Oh, and it's GREAT for blasting those damn Omega bomb droppers and red hornets. Love it!
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on November 21, 2011, 09:29:29 PM
Lol it won't work on the level 12 boss!  You'll see.

@NUMBERZero D2X-XL has an option to build weapons and inventory into your ship when you start a game, which is nice when you just want to play a relaxing game in one of the harder levels without having to go through the earlier levels to get the equipment you'll need first.
The downside is if you forget to remove the built-in equipment before loading a save game then you'll have it all in the save game.

Also in D2X-XL you can drop quad lasers and super laser levels (but not regular laser levels :P).  I like that better than not being able to drop super lasers -- if you die partway into the level but you dropped a super laser at the start, then you can spawn and immediately boost up to level 5 lasers instead of having to go through all those matcens again with level 1 lasers.  Very useful for those of us who usually use lasers for most of the game :P.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Texace12 on November 22, 2011, 12:08:05 AM
I love lasers... oh, yeah, and now I remember, it's the fire boss that doesn't get phased by energy attacks... I thought it was the ice boss that was like that, but I had them reversed... gauss/vulcan for Level 12, OMEGA for ice... well... if I can get close enough for the iceman... I may need to do a long range attack on that one with good old lasers.

Is it just me, or is the Level 20 boss easier than the Level 16 boss?
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on November 22, 2011, 07:45:15 AM
No.  BOTH the level 12 and level 16 bosses share the same invulnerability.  It's the level 20 boss that's reversed.
And yes, he is easier.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Scyphi on November 22, 2011, 07:59:13 AM
It's a fairly well accepted fact by the Descent community at large that the D2 level 16 boss is probably the hardest one in the Counterstrike level set, save only the final boss, perhaps. There is some room for debate on that subject apparently.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on November 22, 2011, 08:00:46 AM
The way I do it, he's pretty easy. ;D
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Scyphi on November 22, 2011, 08:08:28 AM
...if you know how to do it right, indubitably. All of the bosses are like that. If not, though, well...  ;D
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: IHateHackers on November 22, 2011, 08:31:04 PM
So... What if you manage to blow all your non-energy weapons prior to the boss... Are you doomed to die repeatedly lobbing the concs you get on spawn until he dies?
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Texace12 on November 22, 2011, 09:31:48 PM
Well let's see, if all you had were concussion missiles and you died in the mineblast of Level 11, and were blind as a bat to find any vulcan or gauss cannons along the way in Level 12, or simply wanted a challenge, at Hotshit difficulty, 5 concussions per spawn, possibly 14 lives at level start up, that's 70 concussions missiles, yeah I bet it can be done! Either that or MD-1033 is going to have to come rescue your ass.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: IHateHackers on November 23, 2011, 01:06:09 AM
Do death explosions do damage in D2? That'd help too.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Texace12 on November 23, 2011, 01:48:16 AM
Yeah, if the bastard doesn't teleport away in time to dodge it.

Wait... that leaves me to wonder. What happens when a robot kills you after the boss robot or reactor blows up and the countdown is still going. Do you still regenerate and go back to start? Or, does it go right to the "You died in the mine. Your ship and it's contents were incinerated." message? I forgot.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on November 23, 2011, 07:22:45 AM
Do death explosions do damage in D2? That'd help too.

Only certain robots, actually.  And I don't think the fireboss's lair contains any of them.  He does generate seekers when you hit him, and they usually drop mercury missiles when they die.  Also, I think both he and the ice boss make bulk destroyers -- which drop gauss cannons.  Even so I'd love to make a level where you need to beat him by somehow luring omega defense spawn to hit him instead of you.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Scyphi on November 23, 2011, 08:11:31 AM
Quote from: Alieo
What happens when a robot kills you after the boss robot or reactor blows up and the countdown is still going. Do you still regenerate and go back to start? Or, does it go right to the "You died in the mine. Your ship and it's contents were incinerated." message? I forgot.

It goes right to the "You died in the mine" message. I know this because in the first Descent level I ever played (D1) I had this happen to me.

What's sad was that it was that it had no robots in it whatsoever. I think I died by blowing myself up by mistake (Hey, it was my first time playing the game ever).
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on November 23, 2011, 08:27:16 AM
The first time I played D1 I was, like, 5 or 6, and I thought the red door in level 1 was a window.
When I figured out it was a door, got inside, and blew up the reactor, I had no idea what to do next :P.

A year later my next-door neighbour showed me how to complete levels.  But of course I had no concept of the reason for saved games.

Scyphi is right with regards to bosses if the countdown is already going.  If a boss kills you at the same time as you kill it, you can still have time to respawn before the boss's death roll finishes and the countdown starts because the boss's death roll is longer than yours (I've done this several times).  Once the countdown starts you're out of luck though.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: IHateHackers on November 23, 2011, 01:42:21 PM
Do death explosions do damage in D2? That'd help too.

Only certain robots, actually.  And I don't think the fireboss's lair contains any of them.  He does generate seekers when you hit him, and they usually drop mercury missiles when they die.  Also, I think both he and the ice boss make bulk destroyers -- which drop gauss cannons.  Even so I'd love to make a level where you need to beat him by somehow luring omega defense spawn to hit him instead of you.
I was actually talking about your own death explosion, not the robot's :P
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Shroudeye on November 23, 2011, 02:14:02 PM
The first time(s) I've played Descent:

1-I was also 6.
2-Scared the hell out from the robots. Especially the lifters!
3-I didn't knew what to do when the Reactor blows, and gazed to the open Exit tunnel at level 1! (I didn't know that much English back then... seriously! :D).
4-Before that, I didn't even know I had to blow the Reactor.
5-Couldn't locate the Exit door at level 2.
6-I didn't even knew that I could STRAFE!

Looking back... did I grew up? :P
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on November 23, 2011, 02:50:17 PM
Do death explosions do damage in D2? That'd help too.

Only certain robots, actually.  And I don't think the fireboss's lair contains any of them.  He does generate seekers when you hit him, and they usually drop mercury missiles when they die.  Also, I think both he and the ice boss make bulk destroyers -- which drop gauss cannons.  Even so I'd love to make a level where you need to beat him by somehow luring omega defense spawn to hit him instead of you.
I was actually talking about your own death explosion, not the robot's :P

In that case, I'll just point out that your explosion is deadlier than an omega-defense-spawn's... and your rammingness is deadlier than a diamond claw's diamond-tipped-claws.  I've experimented in multiplayer.
On that note, I want to make a multiplayer mode where your ship is modified to drain energy from your opponents...
Of course, that doesn't work if all players can do it, so I need some way to either have only one player do it (maybe like that DXX-Rebirth "Bounty" mode), or have the ability only "active" when some condition is met.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Shroudeye on November 23, 2011, 04:02:08 PM
Sounds like a "Backstabbing" Mod to me?
Imagine that: You somehow approach a player from behind, unseen. Instantly, you hit him with your Drainer-weapon (Which has a cool name; like Impulser, Stripper (..?), Bandit, etc.)... And leave him fully dry!

Or, just place one weapon that won't respawn. A player picks it up, and has an advantage over others... 'till killed.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: NUMBERZero on November 23, 2011, 05:27:38 PM
No weapons respawn in D2 so you have the advantage when you hoard them all.

I think that you should also steal one of his weapons, a piece of equipment, or a couple of missiles to boot like the Thief Bot. Game type should be called Bandit.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Texace12 on November 23, 2011, 11:16:39 PM
On that note, I want to make a multiplayer mode where your ship is modified to drain energy from your opponents...


You would want that feature wouldn't you, E-Bandit in a previous life!  :P

Perhaps you are an energy vampire in real life. Ever heard of such a thing?

http://www.drbrucegoldberg.com/EnergyVampires.htm (http://www.drbrucegoldberg.com/EnergyVampires.htm)
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on November 24, 2011, 04:35:34 AM
But was I an E-Bandit in a previous life?

I could either be that, or the Scourge of the Limefrost Spiral System.  I couldn't possibly be both because there are no E-Bandits in Limefrost.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Scyphi on November 24, 2011, 08:08:15 AM
Not unless you were an E-Bandit who lost his way. Should've taken that left turn at Albuquerque.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Texace12 on November 24, 2011, 09:24:59 AM
You're a rogue Ice Spindle Bot that lost it's way and drains energy like an E-Bandit.
Title: Re: Omega Cannon in D2 Counterstrike Level 10?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on November 24, 2011, 12:10:24 PM
Lol neither of you can find the solution I actually left there!