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Planet Descent => PD Feedback => Topic started by: -<WillyP>- on July 05, 2011, 06:40:06 PM

Title: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 05, 2011, 06:40:06 PM
New test of the upgrade to SMF 2.0. Still a lot of work left to do, and Tiny Portal is still in release candidate, with a few bugs still. But anyway, the new test site is here: Test 2: Planet Descent (http://pdtest2.shirlsworld.net/index.php)

Note that registration is closed, but you should be able to log in and check it out. If you became a member here after I made the db backup, you won't be a member there.

Feel free to post but keep in mind it is just a test and will likely be deleted when the upgrade is done. If you have any suggestions or notice any problems you can post in this thread.

Known Issues:


Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Alieo on July 05, 2011, 10:34:12 PM
Could just be my computer, cuz it's known to do this every so often, but on the admin's shields (instead of our stars), they appear as image-not-found icons. The yellow squares are ok though, and I DO see the shields on for this site, but not the test site.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: karx-elf-erx on July 06, 2011, 03:00:28 AM
It's blue ... and it hurts my eyes.

I have to say that I prefer the grayish theme I am using here now.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 06, 2011, 05:54:14 AM
Thanks for your feedback. I will make a list of issues in my first post and cross them out as they are fixed. Karx, you are using Babylon theme, which I don't think was ever updated for 2.0. (and I just realized I never added the gallery or files links into :O ) Is your issue with light on dark text? Or the particular colors used?
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 06, 2011, 06:18:21 AM
Looks nice, but I'm with Karx, I don't like the blue background. Given the color scheme, I would probably prefer a black background like what Dusky 2 uses.

But then again, if we have themes to chose from, this might not be a big deal.

EDIT: Since we're on the verge of upgrading, I figured this needed addressing. I noticed some time ago that the glow around the letters in the site logo is cut short. Seeing I made the logo (and thus have the original file), I've sat down an tweaked it. It was actually pretty easy, just needed to adjust the canvas size. :)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Crash on July 06, 2011, 07:30:10 AM
I think it looks great. That's a really good bit of customisation work there.
Maybe the forum could do with a border around the table on the list of sub-forums, nothing too in-your-face.

Like the blue personally, is a dark background (which is always good) and it looks classy. Is much better than Dusky2, which is what I normally use.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: VANGUARD on July 06, 2011, 01:11:45 PM
the blue is so so. not really my favorite. but hey, you can't please everyone. oh wait, yeah, different themes.
I guess you can please more now.

are the shields orbs necessary? I feel like I am entering a kids site; which......I may be in one now actually; hmm....

I'm sorry. I forgot. What is the reason for this change?
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: karx-elf-erx on July 06, 2011, 03:10:30 PM
Yep, I am using the Babylon theme.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 06, 2011, 05:40:53 PM
I'm sorry. I forgot. What is the reason for this change?


(http://www.prepare4descent.net/p4dfiles/lmao.gif)We gonna upgrade to SMF2 because it is newer and better.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 06, 2011, 06:16:48 PM
EDIT: Since we're on the verge of upgrading, I figured this needed addressing. I noticed some time ago that the glow around the letters in the site logo is cut short. Seeing I made the logo (and thus have the original file), I've sat down an tweaked it. It was actually pretty easy, just needed to adjust the canvas size. :)

Thanks, Scyphi, I've just put your revised logo up. Also changed the content area background to black, with a border.

Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: VANGUARD on July 06, 2011, 08:34:15 PM
I'm sorry. I forgot. What is the reason for this change?


([url]http://www.prepare4descent.net/p4dfiles/lmao.gif[/url])We gonna upgrade to SMF2 because it is newer and better.


 ::) how original  ::)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Alieo on July 06, 2011, 08:46:02 PM
When do you approximately predict the full update will take place?
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: karx-elf-erx on July 07, 2011, 12:43:13 AM
For me it still looks too colorful. Using that metal Descent 3 texture at the top of the page doesn't make it any better. Typical "American Baroque", overblown and candy colored. Certainly a matter of taste, but I prefer clean, unobtrusive, sober designs, so I hope an alternative design like the Babylon theme here will be available after the upgrade.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 07, 2011, 08:09:09 AM
I have to side with Karx on the D3 texture background. It's not really adding anything to the site, and feels like it's cluttering up things.

Like the black background much better, thanks. :D

Now I gotta ask, because I just realized the logo on the new site is on a blue background, when the actual logo file has a black background. How did you pull that off? Did you manually change the color, or was there some trick you used?

I have no problem with it, of course, and in fact, when I was making those modifications, looked into giving it a transparent background before deciding just to stick with the canvas size adjustment as that was faster. I'm just curious how you did it. I will point out that the current blue it has may not be such a good idea, as the shield orb quite nearly matches it, and blends in a little. maybe if you used a significantly darker shade...?

Other than that, the upgrade seems to progressing along nicely. Like what we've got here. :)

Mmm, but something else I just remembered. The blue background for everybody's posts won't work too good for the MPD forum. Could there be a way to rig just the MPD to have black instead (as that works best for it)?
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Alieo on July 07, 2011, 04:07:38 PM
I like the new thing. If people don't like it, there should be an option to "turn off background" or maybe even change background image, but I like it a lot.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 07, 2011, 07:21:02 PM
Scy, in the Gimp, there is an option to change color to alpha. Very easy to do, just use the dropper to get the right color, and a couple of clicks and your there.

Alio, the option would be to create different themes, and allow people to choose which one, the downside to that is each theme needs to be created and maintained. Some changes to the site require each theme to be edited so more themes means more work. I will make a theme for light on dark, dark on light and one with over-sized text.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: DarkWing on July 07, 2011, 08:31:25 PM
Mmm, but something else I just remembered. The blue background for everybody's posts won't work too good for the MPD forum. Could there be a way to rig just the MPD to have black instead (as that works best for it)?
Me thinks he has a point there.   Is that an option?

Of course, it isn't very often that people actually use the quote function while in the MPD...
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Matthew on July 07, 2011, 10:13:09 PM
Mmm, but something else I just remembered. The blue background for everybody's posts won't work too good for the MPD forum. Could there be a way to rig just the MPD to have black instead (as that works best for it)?
Me thinks he has a point there.   Is that an option?

Of course, it isn't very often that people actually use the quote function while in the MPD...
I think the style he's using has the whole background as blue, not just quotes.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 08, 2011, 06:01:22 AM
MPD has always worked best on a black texting background, for the colored text to show up the best. Other colors, especially blue, don't work as well, because then the text colors tend to blend in and are then harder to see. And MPD is already pretty inactive now, so leaving the posts colored with a blue background is only going to hurt it more.

Except for this one detail, however, I'm okay with the blue background the posts sport, hence why I asked if a black color for posts could be rigged for the MPD forum only.

Quote from: WillyP
Scy, in the Gimp, there is an option to change color to alpha. Very easy to do, just use the dropper to get the right color, and a couple of clicks and your there.

I figured that's what you did, I was just curious. Maybe I should go ahead and make a version with a transparent background anyway, just in case. Wouldn't be hard to do in Photoshop, really,  it would just take more clicks than I was willing to do last time I had the file open. :P
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Crash on July 09, 2011, 05:18:03 PM
What would be best is if the background scrolled with the page rather than "sticking" there as you scroll. Maybe that would be the best of both.
I think it looks really professional - like some huge gaming network site.
Maybe it would be worth stretching the shield orbs behind the main menu options to make them more rectangular. Not sure if it'd be worth your time but it might be kinda cute.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Matthew on July 09, 2011, 10:04:36 PM
What would be best is if the background scrolled with the page rather than "sticking" there as you scroll. Maybe that would be the best of both.
Oh god no. Scrolling backgrounds piss me off to no end. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding what you're saying, I haven't actually checked it out as I honestly can't remember my password :/
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 10, 2011, 03:20:24 AM
No need to log in to see it, what he is saying is that when you scroll down the page the pipe detail stay, instead of scrolling up with the page.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Matthew on July 10, 2011, 09:36:22 AM
Oh, I see what he's talking about. Normally I hate that, but since it's just the borders I think it looks fine.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Crash on July 10, 2011, 12:04:17 PM
I figured that since some people weren't keen on the background you could make it so that it only appeared when you were scrolled to the very top of the page. I really like the way it looks but I'm not so keen on how it floats and doesn't scroll with the rest of the page.

That was how I figured it was the best of both.

Another idea would be to make the blue-green background are a semi-transparent PNG so you could see through onto the silver techno background a little bit. That would be quite cool.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 10, 2011, 03:35:31 PM
That would be really cool, might be worth trying.  :)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 11, 2011, 10:30:02 AM
Removed the pipe detail, made the background for posts black, and a few other things.
Please take another look: Test 2: Planet Descent (http://pdtest2.shirlsworld.net/index.php)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Matthew on July 11, 2011, 11:44:53 AM
I think it needs some sort of background, whether static or scrolling. It looks kind of wierd with that shade of blue on the black foreground and background.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Crash on July 11, 2011, 12:43:30 PM
I like the black background in the table cells messages in the forum. That is sensible and it looks good.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: VANGUARD on July 11, 2011, 12:51:12 PM
is there any reason we can't upgrade this and keep the themes? I like the SMF default theme. The best? maybe not, but not bad.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: DarkWing on July 11, 2011, 05:22:21 PM
I was just looking at the new (test) forum, and I like those new little changes you've made, WillyP.  

I was looking at the end of what there is of this thread in the test forum, and looked at how the badges look there... And I really like how smooth (and trim) the sample badge looks (look here (http://pdtest2.shirlsworld.net/index.php?topic=807.msg11136#msg11136)).

I (personally) would like to see you the new proposed badges would look like on the new forum. (look here (http://www.planetdescent.net/index.php?topic=807.msg11372#msg11372) for the discussion about the badges).  Can we arrange for a sampling of the badges on the test forum?

EDIT: Fixed the links.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: VANGUARD on July 11, 2011, 05:25:34 PM
either you got the links mixed up with what you're saying, or I'm the one that is dyslexic.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: DarkWing on July 11, 2011, 05:36:30 PM
The first link had an error, which I've fixed.  I got them in the order I wanted.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 12, 2011, 07:19:23 AM
Quote from: Matt
I think it needs some sort of background, whether static or scrolling. It looks kind of wierd with that shade of blue on the black foreground and background.

I know we all requested no background, but I have to admit that Matt's right, it does look a little weird without a background.

I thought of two potential fixes we could try. One of which is to add back in a background, but have it be a different, less intrusive, background that's not so...quick to grab the eye. I was thinking that maybe if we got a bigger version of the robot outlines we have in the selection bar (with the "Home," "Forum," "Reactor," etc. options) and added a fade out to the bottom, it could work as a background, but that's just a suggestion.

Another idea is that I think the reason the lack of the background seems to clash is because it's a bright and somewhat vibrant blue. Maybe if we used a darker shade, that would help. Like maybe a nice deep navy blue?

Anyway, just some suggestions for potential fixes.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: SaladBadger on July 12, 2011, 09:08:09 AM
I'm fine without a background, but a soft one might be nice. One thing I don't like, though, is the spacing in the post boxes. It currently looks like this:

http://basementnet.us/ryan/currentspacing.png (http://basementnet.us/ryan/currentspacing.png)

Notice how there's barely any spacing between the top of the post box, and the thread title and usernames, as well as with the sig and the bottom of the post box. Perhaps a bit more spacing should be added, as it honestly looks quite weird in comparison to what we currently have. Maybe something like this

http://basementnet.us/ryan/morespacing.png (http://basementnet.us/ryan/morespacing.png)

Though I would advise just a little more than that.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 12, 2011, 01:44:57 PM
I put the badges up, and put the background back to the way it originally was in that theme.
Added 10px margin to top of the posts.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: DarkWing on July 12, 2011, 08:03:58 PM
Looking at the badges, the badge's grey borders on the right and bottom of the badges ... give the appearance of being indented (like a pressed down button) rather than a raised appearance.  Doesn't seem to fit with the overall look and feel of the site.

If the grey borders were on the left and top of the badges, they would appear raised and would match The site better, IMO.

I also find the text on the badges very hard to read.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 13, 2011, 05:28:27 AM
The lettering on the badges could use a little work still. At the very least, they could stand being slightly bigger (I know the bigger the text, the bigger the image gets, and we don't want them too big, but it can't be unreadably small either). I have no qualms about the indentation of the badges though, and am actually indifferent for the moment on that.

Default background is better, but now it makes the site too blue, and really needs more black. I'm assuming it's just a temporary fix for the moment, correct?

The spacing between posts is a little annoying, but I don't know if that can really be modified too easily, and I'm sure it's something we could get used to.

Beyond that, though, everything's still looking good. :)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 13, 2011, 06:46:21 AM
New background, and changed the post separator to just a thin line: Test 2: Planet Descent (http://pdtest2.shirlsworld.net/index.php?action=forum)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: VANGUARD on July 13, 2011, 07:13:27 AM
I love Blue, I LOVE Navy Blue. But I think it's too much blue on that page.

I guess I am just used to seeing web browsers with a clean look. the background is usually white, or off white. Too see that blue and black, IMO is sort of an eye sore.


are badges normally on top or bottom of your name and avatar? I honestly don't know.

funny thing, looking at the website, it does take me back to the pd.com days when it was a black background and blue decor.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 13, 2011, 08:58:52 AM
Yes, that is the idea, to resemble the theme from .com, but not be a copy of it. I will also make a light colored theme, and you can choose whichever one you want to use, but default will be blue/ black.

Or maybe I should copy it, at least closer to what it was than what I have now. Wayback Machine: PlanetDescent (http://web.archive.org/web/20061021152632/http://www.planetdescent.com/asp/forum_index.asp)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: VANGUARD on July 13, 2011, 11:33:08 AM
I like the old Pd.com look a lot better. I think the sizing is better, there are some more colors; at least yellow and white text. a nice simple gray line to separate the topics.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Kaiaatzl on July 13, 2011, 11:39:45 AM
I like the white-on-black because black is more energy-efficient, if you think about it.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: VANGUARD on July 13, 2011, 12:21:29 PM
I don't know if it matters or not. I have enough energy to run a monitor.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Kaiaatzl on July 13, 2011, 01:22:26 PM
I don't think you're getting my point.
Energy conservation -- a part of environmentalism.  Every little bit counts, you know.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Matthew on July 13, 2011, 02:55:10 PM
I'm sorry but I don't think it works that way...

Saving energy one monitor at a time (http://savingenergy.wordpress.com/2006/11/21/saving-energy-one-monitor-at-a-time/)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: NUMBERZero on July 13, 2011, 09:37:18 PM
/me does not want to get rid of  mah screen saver! (http://"http://youtube.com/watch?v=vNozIs_zkDo")
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Alieo on July 13, 2011, 11:55:43 PM
I just saw this for the first time since I got back from my trip not 3 hours ago. I LOVE the badges! They look good! But how many posts will you need to advance to whatever robot? I know my posts are in the 200s and I'm a Class 1 Drone on there, but someone with, say, posts in the 600s is still a C1D... Just curious what you intend the post per robot to be.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Kaiaatzl on July 14, 2011, 04:05:48 AM
Wait a minute -- I don't see the bots at all!

And I NEED to be E-Bandit.  NEED.  Because I'm a NEEDY little !@%&, like Karx would probly say right now.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 14, 2011, 05:46:14 AM
Sheesh, somebody make wazz an E-Bandit, quick.  ;)


I just saw this for the first time since I got back from my trip not 3 hours ago. I LOVE the badges! They look good! But how many posts will you need to advance to whatever robot? I know my posts are in the 200s and I'm a Class 1 Drone on there, but someone with, say, posts in the 600s is still a C1D... Just curious what you intend the post per robot to be.
There is no way to export those setting from the test site to here during the upgrade so I won't make any changes to the post counts there. Once the upgrade is complete it is easy enough to change. I will probably make the top tier some retarder high amount of posts like a million or something, because we now have so many badges. Maybe use hexdecimal numbers like 8, 32, 128, 1024, etc...
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 14, 2011, 06:33:24 AM
@ Omega: You can at least offset the power output of your screen-saver by having the computer switch off the screen after a certain period of time of being idle, and then hibernate after a certain amount of time after that. Most computers come with these settings (or one like them) by default these days. It's especially useful for laptops when trying to conserve battery power.

As for the test site...it hadn't occurred to me that you were trying to simulate the old .com site. That explains the prevalence of blue. :P I think Vanguard's right though, it's just too much blue, at least with that particular shade (I keep saying a darker color might work better). I even went and compared it with the old .com site a little (which was lots of fun, BTW, I haven't seen the .com site for a few years now) and I realized the old site had more black than blue more often than not. In fact, the only things that were blue was the borders and the posts themselves (save the MPD forum). In other words, your intents was in the right place, but I'm just not sure it's working for us.

As for the lightning background, it gets the job done. Haven't really decided yet. Actually, I might have an idea about a possible replacement, but I'd have to make it first, so we'll see. :)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Kaiaatzl on July 14, 2011, 07:19:02 AM
I need be e-bandit permanently.
But you're just going to say the same thing you've said for your last 10 posts in the shoutbox.
Good thing "no" now means "yes".
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Alieo on July 14, 2011, 12:12:33 PM
Okaaay, you asked for it!
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Kaiaatzl on July 14, 2011, 12:28:09 PM
I LIIIIIIIIKE it :D

Leeeeeechyyyy
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: NUMBERZero on July 14, 2011, 01:17:12 PM
That's exactly what I do, Scyphi.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 14, 2011, 05:08:05 PM
I need be e-bandit permanently.
But you're just going to say the same thing you've said for your last 10 posts in the shoutbox.
Good thing "no" now means "yes".

No.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 14, 2011, 05:12:33 PM
@ Omega: You can at least offset the power output of your screen-saver by having the computer switch off the screen after a certain period of time of being idle, and then hibernate after a certain amount of time after that. Most computers come with these settings (or one like them) by default these days. It's especially useful for laptops when trying to conserve battery power.

As for the test site...it hadn't occurred to me that you were trying to simulate the old .com site. That explains the prevalence of blue. :P I think Vanguard's right though, it's just too much blue, at least with that particular shade (I keep saying a darker color might work better). I even went and compared it with the old .com site a little (which was lots of fun, BTW, I haven't seen the .com site for a few years now) and I realized the old site had more black than blue more often than not. In fact, the only things that were blue was the borders and the posts themselves (save the MPD forum). In other words, your intents was in the right place, but I'm just not sure it's working for us.

As for the lightning background, it gets the job done. Haven't really decided yet. Actually, I might have an idea about a possible replacement, but I'd have to make it first, so we'll see. :)


I don't think 'simulate' is quite the word I had in mind, but I would like to retain some of the flavor. But, whatever you guys want is fine. We can come up with something completely different if you want.

(http://prepare4descent.net/p4dfiles/foot.jpg)

Oh, and I am not all that thrilled with the lightning either, just something I threw together to start the ball rolling. I would love to see what you can come up with.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 15, 2011, 05:20:13 AM
Quote from: Omega
That's exactly what I do, Scyphi.

Not surprised, kind of figured that, but I threw it out there anyway, just in case. :)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Kaiaatzl on July 15, 2011, 05:26:35 AM
No.

YAAAAAAAAY!
[/silliness]
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Crash on July 15, 2011, 08:02:07 AM
Still think it's looking good.
The lightning is tricky to repeat because the eye notices the repetition more readily than a mechanical texture I guess.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 15, 2011, 04:17:33 PM
Yes, exactly.  I thought maybe I'd put some white gradient at the top where it shows across but then I figured I'd let you guys suggest something completely different.

(http://prepare4descent.net/p4dfiles/foot.jpg)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Matthew on July 15, 2011, 05:07:50 PM
I think the top looks too busy now with both the lightning and the robot texture all at the top, and then just solid colors all down the page.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: TechPro on July 15, 2011, 07:25:40 PM
What if the bot pattern was used for the background instead of the lightening, and a solid color smooth gradient (to preserve the sculpted appearance) was used for the menu graphic instead of the robot pattern?  A reversed gradient could be used for the current selection graphic, thus giving the selected choice the appearance of a depressed button.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Pumo on July 15, 2011, 07:47:47 PM
I must say that although TechPro idea is not bad at all, I do really like the bot pattern as menu BG,
BUT I didn't like the lightning background at all :P.

Maybe it would be better not to have any background, but preserve the bot pattern where it is. :)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 16, 2011, 06:55:43 AM
Quote from: Techpro
What if the bot pattern was used for the background instead of the lightening, and a solid color smooth gradient (to preserve the sculpted appearance) was used for the menu graphic instead of the robot pattern?  A reversed gradient could be used for the current selection graphic, thus giving the selected choice the appearance of a depressed button.

Already thought of something similar, but I suspect the original bot background isn't going to be big enough, so a new one would probably have to be made. Like I said before, I have a few ideas already, I just have to put it together.

Quote from: Pumo
Maybe it would be better not to have any background, but preserve the bot pattern where it is.

Unless I missed something, we already tried this, and we decided it felt too empty like that.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Matthew on July 16, 2011, 09:11:26 AM
Like I said before, why do we even need a new theme? I like Dusky 2 as it is, otherwise I also liked the first theme tried (with the metal background) better than the themes we're trying now.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 16, 2011, 12:10:45 PM
Been working on a potential background we can try. Here's a shot of my progress thus far.

Ignore the grid, it's not permanent; I've just been using it to line everything up. Which I'm getting close on, but not there yet. Once I do get it all lined up, I'm going to tile it out a few times, then have it fade out to black.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: SaladBadger on July 16, 2011, 12:54:36 PM
Like I said before, why do we even need a new theme? I like Dusky 2 as it is, otherwise I also liked the first theme tried (with the metal background) better than the themes we're trying now.
Because as I recall SMF 1 skins do not work in SMF 2, and this is a SMF 1 skin and we're upgrading to SMF 2
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 16, 2011, 02:07:20 PM
Finished! Got it to tile seamlessly both ways. The following image was made by me taking a small strip and copying and pasting it nine times over in a tiling affect. Then I added the gradient. :)

Will be willing to make changes as needed.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 16, 2011, 02:22:51 PM
It needs to be cropped to only one repetition. The browser does the tiling. And it will be viewed at full size, did you mean to reduce the size?
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Kaiaatzl on July 16, 2011, 05:10:28 PM
I believe he tiled it to give an impression of what it would look like on the website.
That's what it sounded like to me anyway.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Alieo on July 16, 2011, 05:19:28 PM
I believe he tiled it to give an impression of what it would look like on the website.
That's what it sounded like to me anyway.

ditto
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Matthew on July 16, 2011, 08:36:26 PM
Like I said before, why do we even need a new theme? I like Dusky 2 as it is, otherwise I also liked the first theme tried (with the metal background) better than the themes we're trying now.
Because as I recall SMF 1 skins do not work in SMF 2, and this is a SMF 1 skin and we're upgrading to SMF 2
And this is why phpbb is good.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Pumo on July 16, 2011, 10:15:01 PM
Well, phpbb indeed is cool, but SMF has the TinyPortal addition that makes it very sweet (and with SMF we have the media galleries and some extra social stuff, etc) :)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 17, 2011, 04:32:17 AM
Being able to use an old theme is not enough reason to use phpbb.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 17, 2011, 05:12:48 AM
Quote from: WillyP
It needs to be cropped to only one repetition. The browser does the tiling. And it will be viewed at full size, did you mean to reduce the size?

Oops, I did indeed mean to reduce the size. And I can get you one repetition easy. And yes, I did post the above pic partly to show how it'd look, but also because I wasn't sure what you needed WillyP precisely. I'm guessing SMF will do the fade-to-black itself, then, or will I still need to keep that?
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 17, 2011, 05:49:43 AM
Yes you still need the fade to black.

Anyway, I have started on a whole new theme which does stuff in a different way. I have posted a question on the forum of the guy that made it so I need to leave it up for him to look at for now but you can switch to Midnight Shade in you profile if you want.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 17, 2011, 06:53:50 AM
Like so?
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Kaiaatzl on July 17, 2011, 07:14:13 AM
Hey, I see boarshed... I wouldn't have expected them.  Despite being so dangerous I always saw them as rather obscure -- maybe because they were so near the end of D2.

However, the spider and the spawn didn't give that impression (maybe because they have a D1 parallel?).
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: SaladBadger on July 17, 2011, 08:11:08 AM
Like I said before, why do we even need a new theme? I like Dusky 2 as it is, otherwise I also liked the first theme tried (with the metal background) better than the themes we're trying now.
Because as I recall SMF 1 skins do not work in SMF 2, and this is a SMF 1 skin and we're upgrading to SMF 2
And this is why phpbb is good.
For the record, the PHPBB 2.0->3.0 broke 2.0 skins in just the same manner. I'm not saying I dislike PHPBB over this, but skin incompatibilities are very common across major revisions of forum software.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 17, 2011, 08:12:07 AM
Quote from: wazzazzle
Hey, I see boarshed... I wouldn't have expected them.  Despite being so dangerous I always saw them as rather obscure -- maybe because they were so near the end of D2.

However, the spider and the spawn didn't give that impression (maybe because they have a D1 parallel?).

I really just kind of picked robots at random, and used whatever outlines worked out the best and could be recognized from just that (some of the robots, given to the angles I found pics of them in, were unrecognizable and appeared as mere grey blobs. Like the red and green hornet bots from D2. Both of those didn't turn out too good for this, at least from the pics I was grabbing them from).

The only deliberate robots I picked was the D3 Pest bot, because the same bot appears in the bar I was trying to mimic, and the lifter bots, as they're iconic of Descent.

Can everybody name the robots I used? ;)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 17, 2011, 08:26:54 AM
No, I can't but someare definitly recognizable like the lifter and old scratch, some are not so redily discernable, but that's ok.

However, if you look at the test site they are barely visible. I think for it to work it needs to be reduced even further, but I think that theme is not working and I like Dusky 2 better, I can make a theme out of that one that is more like Dusky but not right now.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 17, 2011, 09:20:28 AM
Understood, but still, I would like to see it anyway. All I see now when I visit the test site is an ugly green-and-white thing that is either a young WIP, or a now-defunct link. Or some kind of problem on my end of the world wide web.

EDIT: never mind, I figured out that I had to change the theme to that, as you had said earlier, but clearly I wasn't paying attention. :P
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Alieo on July 17, 2011, 10:29:19 AM
Quote from: wazzazzle
Hey, I see boarshed... I wouldn't have expected them.  Despite being so dangerous I always saw them as rather obscure -- maybe because they were so near the end of D2.

However, the spider and the spawn didn't give that impression (maybe because they have a D1 parallel?).

I really just kind of picked robots at random, and used whatever outlines worked out the best and could be recognized from just that (some of the robots, given to the angles I found pics of them in, were unrecognizable and appeared as mere grey blobs. Like the red and green hornet bots from D2. Both of those didn't turn out too good for this, at least from the pics I was grabbing them from).

The only deliberate robots I picked was the D3 Pest bot, because the same bot appears in the bar I was trying to mimic, and the lifter bots, as they're iconic of Descent.

Can everybody name the robots I used? ;)

Advanced Lifter, Old Scratch, Boars Head, BPER, That mosquito looking one from D3 abundant in Level 5, Class 1 Drone, PEST, Diamond Claw, can't make out what's on the upper right of the Boar's Head, is that one of those spiders in Vertigo on the upper RIGHT of Boar's Head? And is that a partially blown up smelter between Old Scratch and BPER?
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Pumo on July 17, 2011, 10:42:50 AM
Can everybody name the robots I used? ;)

Lemme try!
Mmmh...

In order (starting from the upper left), I see the next bots:

First row:
Shark, Omega Spawn, Medium Lifter, Squid, Stormtrooper, Boarshead, Class 1 Drone, Diamond Claw

Second row:
Advanced Lifter, Old Scratch, Gyro, Orbot, Again Stormtrooper and Boarshead (as they are in the middle of both rows :P), D3 Pest and D2 Pest.

:)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Matthew on July 17, 2011, 08:53:28 PM
Like I said before, why do we even need a new theme? I like Dusky 2 as it is, otherwise I also liked the first theme tried (with the metal background) better than the themes we're trying now.
Because as I recall SMF 1 skins do not work in SMF 2, and this is a SMF 1 skin and we're upgrading to SMF 2
And this is why phpbb is good.
For the record, the PHPBB 2.0->3.0 broke 2.0 skins in just the same manner. I'm not saying I dislike PHPBB over this, but skin incompatibilities are very common across major revisions of forum software.
That's not what I've heard. Although it did deprecate the old style of skins, they still work, but are not supported.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 18, 2011, 06:43:08 AM
Pumo nailed it.  :D

Speaking of the background, WillyP, do you want me to still adjust it's size for use?
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Alieo on July 18, 2011, 09:19:16 PM
Can everybody name the robots I used? ;)

Lemme try!
Mmmh...

In order (starting from the upper left), I see the next bots:

First row:
Shark, Omega Spawn, Medium Lifter, Squid, Stormtrooper, Boarshead, Class 1 Drone, Diamond Claw

Second row:
Advanced Lifter, Old Scratch, Gyro, Orbot, Again Stormtrooper and Boarshead (as they are in the middle of both rows :P), D3 Pest and D2 Pest.

:)

You didn't list the BPER... That IS a BPER right? or am I seeing things?
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Pumo on July 18, 2011, 10:38:30 PM
Mmmh, I couldn't see any BPER on there. :P
Maybe you're confusing some other bot in the image with the BPER.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Kaiaatzl on July 19, 2011, 03:33:29 AM
Hmm... the Squid looks kind of like a BPER.
If someone who had played D2 recently, but not D3, looked at it, I could see them getting it confused.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 19, 2011, 07:07:43 AM
There is no BPER. Could've put one in though, I think I did consider it...
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Alieo on July 19, 2011, 11:58:27 AM
...
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Pumo on July 19, 2011, 12:04:31 PM
lol, no, that was not a BPER, that's the Orbot from D3.
Here is a pic: http://www.koolbear.com/Descent/past/descent3net/robots/orbot.jpg

The BPER has a pair of claws beneath his main boy, and it's a bit more 'square-ish' in shape.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Alieo on July 19, 2011, 12:09:17 PM
OHHH those things! I was thrown off by the size cuz those things are tiny, and I thought it was the profile of the BPER facing stage-left.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 23, 2011, 06:29:46 PM
I have decided to start the skin over. I am going to make a light colored skin first, because the default SMF skin is light. Then I will copy it and make an identical but dark colored skin.

And, whoever requested the large text skin, would you prefer light or dark?
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Crash on July 25, 2011, 11:29:05 AM
Lookin forward to having a look. I love customising stuff like CMS things but I never seem to find the time/perseverence, lol.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 25, 2011, 04:34:08 PM
Well, take a look, here is the lite skin. (http://pdtest2.shirlsworld.net/)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Crash on July 26, 2011, 02:56:35 AM
Haha, when I loaded this I just sat for a few seconds, taking it in and then I was just like ... "tasteful".
That is really nice and I don't even normally like sites with light backgrounds.
For some reason I always feel safer and more enclosed looking at a site with a dark background and lighter text but a lot of people hate that kind of thing.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 26, 2011, 06:35:27 AM
I am glad you liked it. The dark skin will be a copy of it, but with the light text on dark colors. So I want to get the lite skin sorted first, then just copy it.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 26, 2011, 07:06:39 AM
Concurred with Crash, that actually does look very nice, though I think I will probably want the dark theme in the end. :)

I would recommend against using the Descent title font for the menu selectors, though (the "home," "Forum," "Help," etc.) simply because the font can be hard to read for some. I would recommend the Descent briefing font instead, as that's both readable and Descenty. :)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Kaiaatzl on July 26, 2011, 09:08:48 AM
x3 @ Crash & Scyphi.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha...
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Crash on July 26, 2011, 10:47:15 AM
I like how subtle the top-left logo is. I would resist adjusting that if you can help it.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 26, 2011, 02:07:09 PM
Concurred with Crash, that actually does look very nice, though I think I will probably want the dark theme in the end. :)

I would recommend against using the Descent title font for the menu selectors, though (the "home," "Forum," "Help," etc.) simply because the font can be hard to read for some. I would recommend the Descent briefing font instead, as that's both readable and Descenty. :)


I don't have that font, do you mean menu font? I have Descent Logo, Descent Menu and Descent Score.

Here are some demos:
http://test.planetdescent.net/fontdemos/descentLogo/DescentLogoBold-demo.html (http://test.planetdescent.net/fontdemos/descentLogo/DescentLogoBold-demo.html)
http://test.planetdescent.net/fontdemos/descentMenu/DescentMenuBold-demo.html (http://test.planetdescent.net/fontdemos/descentMenu/DescentMenuBold-demo.html)
http://test.planetdescent.net/fontdemos/descentScore/DescentScoreRegular-demo.html (http://test.planetdescent.net/fontdemos/descentScore/DescentScoreRegular-demo.html)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 26, 2011, 03:04:06 PM
Tiny portal is in release candidate status. Please go to Test 2: Planet Descent (http://pdtest2.shirlsworld.net/index.php) and help find bugs. Log in and screw around, just remember it will be deleted at some point so nothing serious. Post bug reports here, (or, I guess you can at the test site just as well) and I'll post a bug report on the Tiny Portal site.

Also notice the article button in the menu. I have posted a couple of sample articles. We never used the article system here because it is so buggy in this version, A lot of those bugs have been squashed, but there may be a few left. I could use some help finding and documenting them. If you have some time and would not mind helping out, let me know and I'll set you up with permission to use the article system there. You don't need to post real articles, ipsum lorem or whatever is fine.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 26, 2011, 04:41:26 PM
@WillyP: Descent Score is the font I'm referring to. I see you already implemented it. Looks nice. 8)
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Alieo on July 26, 2011, 06:27:29 PM
Is there a way to change the theme yet or are you just showing one at a time?
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 26, 2011, 06:37:22 PM
There are now two themes you can choose from your profile settings... PDlite and PDdark.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 31, 2011, 05:33:42 AM
Needz moar commentz!
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: TechPro on July 31, 2011, 11:13:33 AM
Wow, you've done a lot of updating the look.  I'm liking how slick the PDdark theme looks, and the PDlite theme is good too.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Scyphi on July 31, 2011, 11:30:05 AM
Lite theme looks pretty nice (as already stated), but the dark theme seems more fitting for the mood of Descent. Unfortunately, the dark theme feels like it's missing something...but I can't for the life of me figure out what... :-\
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: Crash on July 31, 2011, 02:03:53 PM
The dark one struck me as too similar to the existing one I use, (which looks to be Dusky2).
It didn't seem to be as nice as just a colour-shifted version of the light skin. (Maybe that's exactly how it was, it just seemed ... emptier).
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: TechPro on July 31, 2011, 04:35:58 PM
Scyphi and I compared site to site and we *think* we have an idea why the new PDdark theme felt like it was missing something (as he described it).

Comparative pics attached.

1. On the new site, the logo has more spacing around it.  This may be negligible and may have very little impact one way or the other.

2. On the new site, the avatar for the current user is displayed above the current user info instead of to the left of the current user info.  This arrangement forces more height to the header area and leaves a large empty space between the current user info and to site logo.

3. On the new site, the News banner is turned on (of course) and it occupies a large amount of space between the logo/current user info and the rest of the forum.  I/we don't know if that news banner will be getting turned off when the new forum software goes live ... but we (Scyphi and TechPro) agree that the space it occupies contributes a lot to that "missing something" feeling Scyphi described.

Having said this, these items are really only little things.  The work in building the new themes is really good and we applaud WillyP's efforts.
Title: Re: Upgrade to SMF 2.0, New Theme.
Post by: -<WillyP>- on July 31, 2011, 05:05:06 PM
Thanks for the recognition, TechPro, and thanks for providing feed back, everybody.

I'll give some thought and see what I can do about tightening up the header a bit.

As for the news fader I don't think that would be on often. Just for announcements like if we have a PD reunion or something.