Planet Descent
Community => Mess Hall => Topic started by: -<WillyP>- on May 19, 2011, 09:34:50 AM
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(split from another topic)
Ahh, yeah - black is the default, right?
Speaking of which, Firefox 4 sucks for magnifing doesn't it? I can't find any menu options to zoom in and it doesn't even have a "reset to 100%" button. You gotta guess what 100% looks like for yourself.
Nonsense. Just hit ctrl and + to zoom in, ctrl plus - to zoom out, and ctrl and 0 resets back to 100%.
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Nonsense. Just hit ctrl and + to zoom in, ctrl plus - to zoom out, and ctrl and 0 resets back to 100%.
It works fine for me.
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Sure, you press Ctrl and +. I knew that already. That seemed like the only way to do it. I can't believe there isn't a clear way to reset the zoom or at least tell you what zoom factor you're in. It should actually pop-up with a little bubble to let you know what's going on when you press Ctrl + etc, like it does with link addresses that you hover over.
I mean that's all fine for people who know the shortcuts already but why do you have a feature that you can only use with the keyboard? No software designer with a brain in his head would accept that. I mean this isn't DOS we're using here. It's not even Windows 3.0. It's unbelievably counter-intuitive for the average user.
I started wondering why a lot of people are jumping to Chrome but with decisions like this I'm starting to realise.
I mean sometimes pressing it once just isn't what you want. Are you supposed to count how many times you press it? You don't press buttons on your microwave 5 times to know you've programmed 5 minutes. There's an LED to tell you.
I have to say, I didn't know about Ctrl 0 and I've been a programmer since I was about 10. Nobody should *have* to know about it, which is what Firefox now expects. It might not be anything to you but it's not nonsense. Please don't try and tell me otherwise. It's presumptuous.
Looks like there are a lot of people who feel the same way actually. Apparently you can customise palette but that's hardly obvious either.
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I know of ctrl+0 since some time already without reading any manual/help file, so I find it pretty intuitive.
And anyway, there's also this great alternative:
https://addons.mozilla.org/es-ES/firefox/addon/zoom-page/
It makes zooming very comfortable.
(It's just my idea, or some of the users here don't use that much the great add-ons for Firefox?)
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That's a bit more like it, a very good find! Thank you! Much more and I was going to go in search myself! Well, maybe not - I was more thinking about people who use PCs just as a tool rather than a hobby.
My favourite extension is FireFTP. Have you tried that one? It's brilliant. I'm not sure why I ever cared when SmartFTP went "pay me now"-only - (even for students and what-not).
That is the magic of Firefox though, you're right. Their developers might have maybe had a slight collective anneurysm in some areas but the extension-power has always been a winner.
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I said nonsense, because you said Firefox sucks for zooming, and there is no way to set back to 100%. I would guess 90% of users don't care what percentage of zoom they are at, they zoom because they just want to read or see something too small. And why would using the keyboard be such a big deal for a feature that's rarely used anyway?
FireFTP is a great extension, but for some reason it stopped working for me. I also had some problem backing up file from the gallery. It would get to some files and stop, and I would have to download them one at a time. Switched to FileZilla, which downloaded the files, but I didn't like FileZilla. Now I am using WinSCP.
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Ahh yeah, Ctrl+0 was the one I was missing.
Zooming resamples the images making them fuzzier the larger they are. If you press Ctrl and scrollwheel it zooms too and it's a persistent setting by website. I had that problem with the previous one. So I still think it should he able to tell you what zoom you're on currently.
Why not put it on that bar at the bottom for add-ons that's totally wasted?
And I still think for many users; but especially those with impairments the idea is dreadful.
I didn't like Filezilla either. I had a host that was super-keen on secure FTP login and they almost insisted that we use the frickin' thing. It wasn't very friendly and even less attractive, that I can say... And I was paying them too.
Only trouble I ever had with FireFTP was that you have to check "Show hidden files" in options, otherwise you can have trouble deleting apparently empty folders.
I'll give WinSCP a shot too, thanks!
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Yeah, I'm using FireFTP and i'm pretty satisfied with it. :)
It's one of the tools I use the most to mantain my websites (uploading stuff to the hosting services, etc.)
Very good plug-in. :)
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FireFTP is great. I love how it lets you open files on the FTP and automatically saves them back to it when you save in the program. The only thing I'd like to see is drag-and-drop support outside of its window, like dragging from windows explorer, and not having to define the same programs over and over for every file type. (I work with linux servers a lot for my minecraft server so I have 50 different extensions associated with notepad...)
(Wow, Minecraft is in the firefox dictionary now? Nice going notch!)
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WinSCP does all three of those things. I also use the ftp built into Notepad++ to edit files.
I do miss having all the accounts organized with the drop down lists in FireFTP. That is a great feature which both WinSCP and Notepad++ could use. I also like the convienience of having ftp just a click away in Firefox, but having it a click away on the desktop or in Notepad++ is almost as good.
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I used to use FireFTP a LOT, but I got tired of having to re-setup my sites each time I had a major browser rebuild or re- work, plus I alternate between 5 to 6 different computers frequently (depending on what I need/want to do and which ones are available). It's a pain trying to make sure each have the options I want only to have to make a change and then change all of them as needed. Got tired of that.
Probably why I'm now mostly using WinSCP and the current version Filezilla. Both let me transfer the list of sites.
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Yes, having it export the settings would be sensible. Maybe there is a file somewhere in the Firefox directory that's transplantable and contains the FTP account settings. Even then, that would be a very 'manual' import/export.
Also, when you first use FireFTP, it comes up with a page about the guy with a photo of him + random kid.
And is it just me? or does the guy look... terrifying? He looks just like another guy I used to know. I just think "yep, Mac-user/serial-killer... time to smile and walk away slowly."
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What the ... hell is this? Not five minutes since 4 came out and now we're on Firefox 5???
There's no perceptible difference either? This is just getting stupid.
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What? not noticeable differences on FF 5?
So I suppose there's no need to update for now (I'm using 4). :P
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yeah, seems awfully quick indeed.
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It just updated itself and you would never have known. It just seemed like a minor update to Firefox 4.
It didn't say "Hello, welcome to Firefox 5." I clicked About in the Help menu to discover that and if anyone can tell me the difference, they're a better man than me.
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I'm with you on this one, I would not have noticed if one of my often used add ons hadn't been disabled.
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it showed something would be disabled at my works PC, some antivirus, or firewall. I declined it, but accepted the firefox 5 for my home pc.
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Mozilla has a new release policy to avoid overly long delays between major software releases -> more releases with less changes per release.
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So few changes that they couldn't even put the menus back the way they were. :D
I hate programs that have multiple menus and they're everywhere now. Steam has it, Firefox, Explorer, Media Player, MSN Messenger.
Now, in Office I understand because that's production software and the ribbon works for me, always found it pretty good. But having a smaller number of buttons that take you longer to get to places is stupid... and then keeping the File, Edit, View menus anyway?
It just confuses the hell out of me.
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So few changes that they couldn't even put the menus back the way they were. :D
I hate programs that have multiple menus and they're everywhere now. Steam has it, Firefox, Explorer, Media Player, MSN Messenger.
Now, in Office I understand because that's production software and the ribbon works for me, always found it pretty good. But having a smaller number of buttons that take you longer to get to places is stupid... and then keeping the File, Edit, View menus anyway?
It just confuses the hell out of me.
menus everywhere? explain.
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Well, if you look at how all those programs are laid-out in terms of the interface, you should see what I mean.
They have a prominent, dumbed-down set of options (as Firefox does cascading from its orange button) and then hidden away, they have the old-fashioned File, Edit etc. menus which you can get at by pressing Alt and which you usually still need (at times) to get at all the menu funtions.
By "everywhere", I mean it's becoming more and more common for applications to lay out their functions this way.
What was wrong with having everything rationalised into a single set of cascading menus?
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You must have checked an option to hide them, mine are not. Or maybe I checked an option to show them. ;)
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I prefer the "traditional" menus to be hidden. They're called the "Menu Bar" and you just right-click to the side of tabs, and select (or un-select) "Menu bar".
FF 5 seems a LOT like FF 4, but a lot faster.
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I guess I still don't get it. I have File, Edit, View, History, Bookmarks, Tools, Window and Help.
I don't really see any other menus
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I turned down updating FF5 because it warned me that it would disable AVG (my antivirus) in order to run, and I did not like the sound of it at all. Quite happy with Firefox 4 at the moment, especially seeing that it's pretty much the same thing anyway.
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I guess I still don't get it. I have File, Edit, View, History, Bookmarks, Tools, Window and Help.
I don't really see any other menus
If youi right click to the right side of that, you can choose to hide that bar. As well as the other bars: the one with the address in it, bookmarks bar, and the add on bar, at the bottom of the screen. That would give you a bit bigger view-port. And some people like the clean look.
Or conversely, for those complaining that those are hidden, right click and check which ones you want to see.
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I just have the arrow keys, home, bookmarks, and that's kind of all, and the menu. it looks big and clean to me.
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I guess another way of saying how to turn on/off that menu, would be: Go to the View menu, Toolbars, un-check "Menu Bar"
If the Menu Bar is not currently showing, just press the Alt key once and it will again show (temporarily).
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FF5 may require to temporarily disable your AV software just as a preemptive measure to avoid problems, but other software installers do that, too. It will certainly not require AV software to be disabled during regular operation.
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Techpro already observed that and explained that to me. He says that what it wants to disable is the little feature that tells you what sites are safe and not safe to visit in things like Google searches. Apparently, FF5 isn't compatible with that feature until AVG upgrade their systems on their end.
Still, I don't want this feature disabled just for the sake of an unnoticeable upgrade, so I stand by what I said before.
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I just clicked on the icon near the "start" menu at work, and it said it is updating the browser to 5. I'm like what? I never told it to. ::)
Is this a firefox thing? windows thing? or just good ol' technology at its best?
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Yeah, it was quite a stealth upgrade wasn't it?
I wish I could have the old-style menu AND my tabs on the same row (because I have a widescreen).
I got quite brassed-off and installed chrome. It's nice but it's very ... simple. If you want to do anything demanding, I suspect it may not be the browser for you.
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Wow, it took them like 1.5 years for FF4, now they have FF5 finished in less than 6 months? It must not be anything special because I've heard no great praise about it.
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it said it would disable some firewall or antivirus add-on, something like that. that's why anytime it asked, I said no or simply ignored it.