Planet Descent
From the Front Page => Soupe Du Jour => Topic started by: TechPro on May 01, 2011, 07:54:19 PM
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Announced today, Osama Bin Laden has been killed.
There are many who are celebrating this notable event. There are many who are finally feeling relief and completion with this new, people whose loved ones and family were killed as a result of direction and orders by Osama Bin Laden. Many feel this is good and wonderful news.
I, personally, have rather mixed feelings about it. I know and understand the reasons for hunting down and killing Osama Bin Laden and I feel that it was a necessary action that needed to be done, the same as taking out a mass murderer. However I know that there are also many who are now outraged and their hate and bitterness is inflamed with this news. Just as much as there will be people celebrating, there will be terrible actions taken in retaliation as well. It comes down to a difference of opinion, ideology, and goals.
I know that justice needed to be done, but it is regrettable that it had to come to this. Regrettable that there must be such radically different ways of thinking, opposing ideologies.
I've heard that Osama Bin Laden's body will be buried at sea. At first I wondered why, then it occured to me that by doing so, there will be no chance of his grave site being a place of pilgrimage for his followers, the site would never be a motivation for martyrs, never a place to be scared and defaced by angry and bitter people.
I'm saddened that the world we live in has to have such events take place. Why, oh why can't the people of this world manage to put down their swords and try to enjoy life together?
Of course, I know that I will probably always remember hearing the news of Osama Bin Laden's death. A man held responsible for a lot of death and violence has been killed.
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nicely said. I don't know if I have an opinion. I know so many lost their spouse, kids, parents, etc etc in the World Trade Center, and I suppose it feels great to them that Osama is dead. Maybe I'll feel better if let's say, someone kills one of my friends or family members.
Hard reality, if that makes sense with what I am about to say is, what's done is done.
Killing a person won't bring back someone. It won't suddenly make life better. I am by no means saying any criminal shouldn't be caught, or certain people shouldn't be killed.
I believe God will judge all, and they will get exactly what they deserve. There is no hiding. There is no immortality here on earth. One day, they will meet the Maker.
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There is no immorality here on earth.
I think you mean immortality. 9/11 was pretty immoral.
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thanks. I fixed it. It was late, :D
edit: wow, i was tired. Fixed another word or two, and then added something at the very end.
Guess it doesn't pay to write too late at night when tired.
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Usually, it doesn't. :P
I'm fairly hesitant to celebrate too, because I really don't think it's exactly right for anyone to celebrate someone's death, regardless of who or what he/she was. That, and I highly doubt that just because Bin Laden's dead means things are going to be turned around. Far from it. In fact, part of me is thinking that things just might get worse before they get better.
In short, now is not the time to celebrate. The battle has been won, but the war is still being fought, as they say.
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I have to say....
YES!!!!! FINALLY!!!
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:97ogtKq1ndrhYM:http://firekragthorpenow.com/images/500_we_win_cheers.jpg&t=1)
I wish that I could have been at some of the gatherings in DC.
Now we will just have to deal with a pissed off Al-Quida.
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Killing a man, no matter how justified it is, is certainly no laughing matter. Life is precious, and while Osama certainly received his due, the fact that this religious and political uprising has caused the deaths of thousands of people is certainly a sad thing. While I hope this will soon mark the end of the violence, I can only imagine that this is just one more Al-Queda member eliminated, with many more to go (unfortunately).
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My thoughts exactly.
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I'm having mixed feelings about something.
Telling the world that Osama is dead can be a good thing in one way. It shows we are strong, and we did indeed accomplish something.
it can also start off new wars/riots, etc....
Sometimes I think that if we kept this quiet, it'd be better. But, that's my opinion. Now the world knows, and there will be groups that are not happy about this at all.
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The man (?) was a killer. He killed thousands and if he wasn't killed, he would kill thousands more.
Think about the classic scenario where it's a good guy and he has to be "killed in order to save thousands." But now replace the good guy with a killing machine. The choice cannot possibly to be difficult to make now.
Life is precious, but is the one life that keeps taking life indiscriminantly so precious any more?
And that's true about the other groups, but they have always been there. Osama still being alive today still wouldn't mean that they would just go away.
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It's been almost 10 years and people tend forget or were too young to remember the day people fell from the sky like rain. The mainstream media will not show those images to remind us, but I remember. I visited ground zero in November 2001 and it was a life changing experience. Thousands of pictures of lost loved ones lining the fences. The smoldering heap that once were gleaming twin towers. I had been in those towers in 1977. Now grotesquely twisted pieces of steel jutted out from nearby building where they impaled themselves. The gray ashen dust covered everything.
While I have no joy in hearing of Bin Laden's death, I will never shed a tear for him nor feel any remorse for his fate at the hands of Americans. He had brought this wrath upon himself. I find it ironic that he was buried following Islamic tradition. We are too decent a people to give this fiend the funeral he deserved, the same treatment that al qaeda and the Somali populace gave US troops after the battle of Mogadishu in 1993. The mainstream media won't show those pictures either. Bin Laden got off easy.
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x2 to PyroJockey's statements.
However, I must say that justice and vengeance are two different things. Our killing Osama was justice. Mutilating his body or unceremoniously disposing of him would have been vengeful. While we could have justifiably done so, the U.S. needs to set an example of delivering swift justice without using unnecessary force to make a statement. This hasn't always been the case (consider the tragic and despicable My Lai incident during the Vietnam war). I think it was a smart political and tactical move to provide a proper ceremony while burying the body in a location that could not become a martyr's grave - the water.
I certainly do not intend to say that I would second guess the ethics of killing such a cold-blooded and cowardly murderer such as Bin Laden. He's gone, and rightfully so. But the fact that he has killed - and must be killed for that reason - is deeply saddening.
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The only sad part of this is that an innocent woman had to die for it to happen. I hope her family takes comfort in knowing her death was not in entirely vain.
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I'm not shedding a tear for Osama, and I'm not saying anyone should, but I'm just saying that I'm not really sure it's something that's worth celebrating over like we are, and all it really marks is that one man received justice. Beyond that, I doubt anything has really changed.
And as for making the news of the killing so public, I'd bet you anything it's a political stunt done mostly just to try and cheer up Americans, and distract them from other national issues for a little while, if not more.
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i kind of that too, or "president is worth having around another 4 years because of this"
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Please! I am glad we are rid of Osama but as others have said I won't celebrate his death. But in 2012, I will celebrate being rid of one of the five worst presidents we have ever had.
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x2.
I hope the health care bill gets repealed. It only sounds good if you're not in the health care industry. :-\
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It only sound good if you are as ignorant about it's content as the politicians who signed it into law.
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who knows about 2012. I just know my stomach sank in 2008.
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Yes, let's elect a republican instead so we can lower taxes to the point of bankrupting us like the last one did, while not significantly lowering spending. I hate to break it to you all, but the big picture is not about a few grand that people with jobs pay in income tax. It's about those without jobs. Those without jobs don't see any benefit from lowering taxes because they have nothing to tax in the first place.
Did we really just make this political? :/
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Think about each one at a time.
Higher debt
Prices going up
No increase in wages
where do you think that leads us?
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Higher debt: How does lowering taxes help that?
Prices going up: That's not really Obama's fault
No increase in wages: I'd rather see more jobs than see higher wages. Think big picture, here. Ideally, we could have both, but it's hard enough to get a job as it is, raising minimum wage won't help.
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I just heard that Osama used his wife as a human shield. She was shot in the leg and survived.
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I just think we need one - just one - economist in Washington. :P
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I just think we need one - just one - economist in Washington. :P
So infinitely more the number we currently have?
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Infinitely more than the number we could hope to have, at this rate. :P
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I just heard that Osama used his wife as a human shield. She was shot in the leg and survived.
Updated information shows that appears to be correct. She did in fact live and was only injured in the leg. The word is that she was a wife of Osama.
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Higher debt: How does lowering taxes help that?
Prices going up: That's not really Obama's fault
No increase in wages: I'd rather see more jobs than see higher wages. Think big picture, here. Ideally, we could have both, but it's hard enough to get a job as it is, raising minimum wage won't help.
Lower taxes generally leads to more revenue as people are able to put that money back into the economy, by investing, hiring more employees, etc. As far as higher prices goes, Obama's policies have contributed greatly but no, he is not solely to blame. It is just that instead of helping, he made it worse. The die was cast before he came to office, but he played the hand dealt to him poorly.
There is not really a choice to be made between higher paying jobs or more jobs, the two go hand in hand. They are virtually the same thing, as far as any discussion of economy goes. If you reduce the economies ability to grow, you are also reducing wages and the number of jobs available. The only way to allow the economy to grow is to give those who invest in the economy a reason and the capital to do so. However you feel about giving free money to the poor, they will not invest in the economy, they will spend the money on food, rent, and other expenditures. I am not saying that is a bad thing, I don't want people living in the streets or starving, but I want people to understand the difference between investing and spending. Most wealthy people invest the bulk of the portion of their income which is not taken by taxation, which is what drives good economy. Poor people spend money, some of which is taken from other people by taxation. Generally even the working poor have little left for investing once the necessities like food, rent and beer, are covered.
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pretty much, yeah.
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Oogh...I hate politics for this very reason. Seems no matter what you do, you're doomed to cause some kind of trouble either way.
But I will admit our current batch of politians aren't at ALL helping. At the moment, I'm not happy with ANY of the political parties, not Democrates, not Republicans, not anybody.
I'm a political party all of my own. The "We-prefer-to-be-ignorant-party". Sometimes I seriously think I'm better off that way. :P
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I'm more Libertarian. More freedom, less taxes, less government. don't get that mixed up with anarchy. I believe they bring on destruction and want complete freedom.
We're really having different topics in here lately.
I think I am staying out of this one, or be very limited to what I say. I know that I know less about certain political things than others. I'm not going to mention what, because I don't want to stir up more stuff, but my friend believes in something that I may believe, but don't get into.
*gracefully heads out the door*
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If you don't want to discuss politics, stick to the topic. I won't bring up politics if no one else does. And at any rate, my post was about economy, not politics. Except maybe for the bit of criticism of Obama.
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If Osama was killed, and we didn't say anything, would it better than what we actually did? Imagine a fake person here, or keep it to yourself, someone you do like that is real.
And one day, the enemy announced "we killed him/her". and they celebrated. I would think that would cause some problems.
If that person you look up to is dead, and the reason is unknown, I would think one would just be more sad.
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don't get that mixed up with anarchy. I believe they bring on destruction and want complete freedom.
I wouldn't call myself an anarchist. I understand the need for government. I just don't really want to be a part of it sometimes. :P
That said...
If you don't want to discuss politics, stick to the topic. I won't bring up politics if no one else does.
Ok, I'll do that now. I don't particularly want to discuss politics either. Probably shouldn't have even brought it up.
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*crickets chirping*
hey, the sound of peace
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Lol. I must be the only one who finds the discussion of politics to be quite enlightening and informative. Still, it's probably best to keep it to a minimum; not everyone feels the same. ;)
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Now they are debating on whether or not to release the photos of dead Osama in the compound.
If I was the Prez, I would never release those photos. I've had some experience that tells me that they should not be released.
If they are released, I would blame it on wikileaks.
Oh! And about having Osama's codename Geronimo. WTH is that all about? It's one of the most stupidest arguments that I have ever heard about. Soooooo many other things have been codenamed Geronimo.
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Lol. I must be the only one who finds the discussion of politics to be quite enlightening and informative. Still, it's probably best to keep it to a minimum; not everyone feels the same. ;)
I don't mind talking about politics, and it's fun talking about spiritual things, God, etc, but I seem to remember a topic that ended up getting locked.
That's partially why I am not saying much.
Now they are debating on whether or not to release the photos of dead Osama in the compound.
If I was the Prez, I would never release those photos. I've had some experience that tells me that they should not be released
It sounds like he won't, and wants it classified. It's one thing I will agree with, I don't think it should be released. Don't kick a man that's down so to speak. Not sure if that's the right saying or not. but to put it another way, it's bad enough we told the enemy that we killed Osama. Let's not make it worse and show pictures.
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I have no mixed feelings whatsoever about this. I treat his death the same as I would treat a child killer and disposing of the body at sea and not revealing the death photos of a monster was the right thing to do.
Bee
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I suppose, coming from a country that doesn't believe in the death penalty, I have differring feelings about this. I wouldn't say mixed feelings, it's more like not knowing what to think.
It definitely seems this was the only way - from what I hear I infer if he was imprisoned he would have got out.
But is any killing right?
This wouldn't be the first time that I say I don't believe in the value of war, or any other kind of killing.
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I suppose, coming from a country that doesn't believe in the death penalty, I have differring feelings about this. I wouldn't say mixed feelings, it's more like not knowing what to think.
It definitely seems this was the only way - from what I hear I infer if he was imprisoned he would have got out.
But is any killing right?
This wouldn't be the first time that I say I don't believe in the value of war, or any other kind of killing.
Compared to what he probably would've gone through in any American prison, I think this was the most humane thing they could've done to him, tbh, that wouldn't involve him continuing to do what he does.
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I think killing him was more or less justified given what he had done, I just don't think we should be making such a big deal out of it.
And yes, I think withholding the pictures is a good call. Seriously, with all the details about the death the government has been giving without the pictures is enough for me to believe they actually did it. I really don't see any reason why any American should doubt them on this matter. I mean, any other matter, maybe, but one as serious as this...?
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My friend will always argue on stuff. I may say, "good for the president in not releasing the pictures."
he'll say "yeah, and you know why?" and he'll go into some conspiracy theory, right or wrong. That's my friend. I haven't heard from him much this week, been really sick. he had to leave quickly last Friday.
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He'd been really sick? Or you were really sick?
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you know the sad part is techpro, before posting, I said to myself "okay, I have to make it clear that he is the one that's sick, not me".
what a good job I did, lol.
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Ask Scyphi, I'm quick to pick up on those little wording things and then teasing people with them. ;D
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Late to the party cos of work but I wanna talk about the ... Stealth Helicopter!
The americans are amazing. It'll not be long before they develop the Mobile Suit.
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What about a stealth helicopter? They almost had that with the AMAZING Comanche! But they scrapped that project because we're not fighting technologicly advanced nations with radar, but Middle Eastern dudes using sticks and stones and eating lizards.
Mobile Suits are highly unlikely. Mechs like MechWarrior are the most likely thing. Power Armor is what they are working on.
You know, my favorite quote works in every war situation.
"The world won't change for the better unless we trust people. Trust is vital in a peaceful world...but that'll never happen."-Larry "Pixy" Foulke (Ace Combat 0)
or
"If you are going to fight a war, do it effeciently, unremittingly, or don't do it at all--I'm not into ethics, I'm into effeciency."-Benjamin St. John, "Descent" by Peter Telep
:P
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"If you are going to fight a war, do it effeciently, unremittingly, or don't do it at all--I'm not into ethics, I'm into effeciency."-Benjamin St. John, "Descent" by Peter Telep
:P
Still looking for the first two books. I really liked Equinox - did a great job of making the (terrible) D3 story into something actually good.
Checking all sorts of vintage and rare book stores, but no luck.
If I get really desperate I guess I could use Ebay.
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Y'know, I should either read those books, or ask somebody who's read them to just tell me the plots. :P
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Play Descent 1, 2 and 3. Congradulations. You now know the gist of the plots ;)
It's the DETAILS that you must, MUST see!
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I thought the D3 storyline was pretty satisfactory - moreso than D1 and D2 because ... it actually 'existed' and permeated and dictated the sequence of levels rather than just framing the game at the beginning and end like D1 and D2.
That was one of the things that I liked most about D3, in conjunction with the more varied mission objectives and environments.
I wasn't so sure about its selection of weapons insofar as the Helix and Spread guns were completely missing in favour of the totally redundant microwave gun.
The Commanche is certainly a remarkable craft. I'm sure that it was probably put into limited production 'just in case' (so as not to waste the development costs) as seems to have been done with this Stealth Blackhawk.
That programme was supposed to have been scrapped before any units could be delivered and yet ...
I'm not sure the F-22 Raptor has ever seen true active service in the sense that it was ever used in anger but it still exists.
The mobile suit is surely practical, it's just more advanced than a traditional 'mech'. It may be further away, I agree, but it is the more logical conclusion; being as robust and yet more ... well, "mobile".
Some of my favourite quotes come from the game Aquanox, which as a 3D underwater vehicular shooter, you may well know.
The characters in that sequence of games is wonderful, less so with Aquanox2 and it's a crying, crying shame that the developer folded.
There was another game where the story and dialogue was panned and where I disagreed on that point.
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Some of my favourite quotes come from the game Aquanox, which as a 3D underwater vehicular shooter, you may well know.
Honestly, I've always considered Aquanox to be an excellent example of how not to do voice acting. Besides the fantastic, dead-pan, emotionless delivery of the opening cutscene, the voice acting goes from bad to laughably bad to beyond laughably bad quite frequently. Still makes a pretty fun almost-6DOF shooter.
If anyone hasn't played it, you can pick it up at Good Old Games (http://www.gog.com) for five bucks, I think. You'll definitely want to go back to Descent after playing it, but it's an enjoyable shoot-'em-up, nonetheless. ;)
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Hmm, its gameplay is a bit sluggish, which reminds you that you're underwater, so aiming takes some practice and torpedos should be more effective in homing as well. The second Aquanox fixes that a bit is fairly characterless compared Aquanox1. The original, DOS Archimedean Dynasty game had automated point-def turrets on the ships and was a very tactical simulator, whereas the successors were cruder shooters.
I liked some of the voice acting exactly because it was so deadpan, especially where the main character listens to a ruthless enemy's immense, overblown diatribe. At the end you feel a little nervous about what's to come in the game and the main character just comes back and says, completely deadpan: "Do you ... write your own material?".
Yes, I thought the fact that things weren't horribly over-acted was quite a refreshing change. It rather re-inforced the brooding, cyber-punk atmosphere. Infact half the characters sounded as though they were strung out on tsunami-boosters and breathing gas, you're quite right.
It was unfortunate that the ships' handling wouldn't let you roll the ship over onto its back. The missions were excellent though with a good range of floating and ground targets; both large and small and some of the late-in-game weapons were superb. The graphics are probably better than D3 too and it runs on a pittance in terms of hardware.
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Since I was curious, I looked up recordings of the Aquanox voice acting to listen and gauge. Found a recording of the intro. Lasted about a minute into it before I got bored of that monotonous voice and shut it off. That minute of story I caught, for that matter, probably didn't help. :P
Maybe I should've listened more...but admittedly, I'm really not that interested in doing so.
But oh well. In my experience, it seems games by a general rule of thumb are usually subject to bad voice acting. Occasionally there are exceptions, but not always. Personally, I think if you can get the voice acting good enough that you can, in your mind, look past the glaring faults, then that's good enough. :)
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Like Metroid Other M. The voice acting from Samus wasn't very good, but it'll grow on you eventually. Gameplay was through the roof IMO, so bad voice acting isn't an excuse for me.
I think that they should have used the "original voice of Samus," Jennifer Hale. She did all of the pain sound effects for Samus in the Prime series. If you want to see one of her biggest samples, watch any video from Mass Effect 2 with the female Shepard.
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Wow, what happened to this thread? :o
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Some of my favourite quotes come from the game Aquanox, which as a 3D underwater vehicular shooter, you may well know.
Honestly, I've always considered Aquanox to be an excellent example of how not to do voice acting. Besides the fantastic, dead-pan, emotionless delivery of the opening cutscene, the voice acting goes from bad to laughably bad to beyond laughably bad quite frequently. Still makes a pretty fun almost-6DOF shooter.
If anyone hasn't played it, you can pick it up at Good Old Games ([url]http://www.gog.com[/url]) for five bucks, I think. You'll definitely want to go back to Descent after playing it, but it's an enjoyable shoot-'em-up, nonetheless. ;)
I think that is because it's a German title and at that time (small and/or German - usually not a contradiction) gaming companies didn't have much money to spend on good voice actors. The German voice acting is quite well though as far as I can remember (but don't hold me to it, it's been a long time since I've played that game).
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Yeah, apparently the German players didn't find their original version so bad.
I would love to know on what criterion the Aquanox: Angels' Tears was rejected by Sony's Playstation Quality Testing.
I mean the other games were very solid, so I don't see why that one should have been so problematic. If you look at the screenshots for it, it looked like tremendously good fun.
They shoulda stuck the finger at Sony and released on PC.
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Bringing it back on topic. Discuss one of these main points that I found. Pay heed to the bottom paragraph.
I was reading the news....
Al-Quida is pissed.
They're to derpy to realize that we already hurried Osama so they are saying "don't mistreat the body. I'd bet you aren't going to follow tradition, whine whine whine QQ.
Everyone is shifty eyed towards Pakistan because Osama was across the street in the Hilton. Your average Joe wants to pull the plug on financial support for Pakistan. It is like, "what are we paying them for? Sure, they find a few guys in the caves, but c'mon..."
Plans were discovered for DERAILING A TRAIN on SEPTEMBER 11 THIS YEAR. I would recommend NOT RIDING on any TRAINS that day just in case the terrorists decide to go through with that plan.
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Thing is... Derailing any old train is child's play. Half the time nobody even gets hurt. No, if they derail a train it won't be an ordinary passenger train. It'll be either a high-speed passenger train or something carrying a crpload of dangerous chemicals. Anybody remember This footage? Yeah. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf3WKTwHpIU&feature=related)
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Great... I was thinking of making AmTrak my alternate to the skies because of excess security. Now, this'll make security at the train stations so tight that they'll be fondling us there too. I should get a pilot's license, buy a private jet, and start a PRIVATE airline in which people would pay me to fly wherever. And I'd have my gun cocked and ready in case sh*t went down. See, that's the solution, I think, is to LOWER security, but not eliminate it completely. If a terrorist wants to blow a plane up, he OR she can hide explosives in their rectum undetected, even with today's standard of high security and, at the most, kill everyone on board the plane. But, if the pilot and co-pilot carried a gun (and maybe a few specialized flight attendants), the terrorists can't actually hijack a plane and fly it into a building and cause MORE deaths.
And let's throw religion into this now that we've tapped politics in this thread. All religion is is a circle maze. And in the middle of that circle maze is the deity or deities. There are several different entrances and paths to get to the middle, which represent aaaaallllll the different religions of the world. Instead of "Religion A" saying, "I'm right and everyone else's way is wrong," I think EVERY religion is right and NONE of them are wrong! Atheists? They still have feelings and knowledge of right and wrong, and that knowledge of right and wrong is at the center of the circle. Once everyone realizes how true this is, and we can all worship or meditate or exist under the same church/temple/synagogue/location, we have world peace. But the ones that think that their path is the right way and everyone else's way is wrong are the ones that cause the wars/arguments/negativity in this world, and that is exactly what makes the Al Qaida group so effed up. True Muslims are peacemakers and have one of the best virtues in the world.
One can argue, oh, the Bible said this, so it's right, and another may argue, oh the Koran said this so it's right so YOURS must be wrong. No. We must embrace and respect each other's beliefs. What is religion? FAITH! It's a BELIEF because YOU weren't there when the roots of your religion was established to SEE and KNOW for sure with your own eyes that what happened to start your religion happened. This is not to discredit religion, but rather to open more eyes to acceptance of others. All faiths are guilty of this "my beliefs are right and others are wrong" but it takes INDIVIDUALS to realize the even bigger picture. I used this circle maze analogy to get out of the Catholic church when I was 15 and used the EXACT same analogy to get back into it when I was 23. There is no one true religion, but the idea of a higher power is universal!
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Hear! Hear! Regardless of your religion (or lack thereof), everyone should respect the fact that, at the very least, different people believe different things from you. Maybe it's right, and maybe it is wrong. And yes, sometimes action needs to be taken against the wrong when it causes harm to others. But other than that, things would get along so much better in the world if we weren't always trying to enforce our ideals on others. I mean, what makes one's ideals better than the others anyway?
That said, I feel I should point out that if we are going to take this topic in this direction now, we need to proceed with EXTREME caution. We went down a road like this once before and it didn't exactly turn out too good. I'm not too keen to have it happen again, especially so soon.
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@Scyphi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q4C_TFdMws
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I'd rather it NOT go down that road at all. I am assuming that hardly anybody saw the last post on the previous page which made an attempt to bring it back on topic. I'll quote it in a last ditch attempt.
Bringing it back on topic. Discuss one of these main points that I found. Pay heed to the bottom paragraph.
I was reading the news....
Al-Quida is pissed.
They're to derpy to realize that we already hurried Osama so they are saying "don't mistreat the body. I'd bet you aren't going to follow tradition, whine whine whine QQ.
Everyone is shifty eyed towards Pakistan because Osama was across the street in the Hilton. Your average Joe wants to pull the plug on financial support for Pakistan. It is like, "what are we paying them for? Sure, they find a few guys in the caves, but c'mon..."
Plans were discovered for DERAILING A TRAIN on SEPTEMBER 11 THIS YEAR. I would recommend NOT RIDING on any TRAINS that day just in case the terrorists decide to go through with that plan.
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That said, I feel I should point out that if we are going to take this topic in this direction now, we need to proceed with EXTREME caution. We went down a road like this once before and it didn't exactly turn out too good. I'm not too keen to have it happen again, especially so soon.
x2. In Alieo's defense, I don't remember his being involved in the previous discussion and therefore I don't know if he knows how it went, but the atmosphere was turned a bit more tense and cold than it once was after that one. Let's keep the religious discussion to a minimum here. ;)
Plans were discovered for DERAILING A TRAIN on SEPTEMBER 11 THIS YEAR. I would recommend NOT RIDING on any TRAINS that day just in case the terrorists decide to go through with that plan.
Apparently Al Quida is very aware of our American tendancy to mourne on specific anniversaries of tragic events. This being the tenth year following, another blow would be demoralizing to our people. I haven't heard any news of this elsewhere, but it's certainly plausible and believable.
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@D2Junkie: I saw a report on Nightline saying that one of the hard drives confiscated from bin Laden's hideout contained plans to actually do this, to derail one of the busiest AmTrak lines in America on 9/11/11. They didn't mention which line though.
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Of course they wouldn't.
It turned out to be a smart move on their part didn't it.
But at least america has some warning this time, and probably more ways to increase security and stop it than they did at 9/11 - assuming Al-Quida wasn't outright lying and planning to do something else, using this as a diversion.
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@Wazzazle: LOL! At the end of every post, your signature goes perfectly with whatever you're saying!
SO THERE!
haha!
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The government should say on the TV, "ok, nobody ride the train on September 11. SO THERE, Al-Quida!"
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The government should say on the TV, "ok, nobody ride the train on September 11. SO THERE, Al-Quida!"
There's a reason you're not in charge of anything important...
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He meant it as a joke, methinks. :P
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+1 powerup for Scyphi :P
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+1 powerup for Scyphi :P
-1 for you :P
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The thing is that I could see the politicians actually saying that, as if it'd really make a difference. :P
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its really happy to see that laden is dead. but question is who will be next?
because CIA make laden and America kill him with wasting lots of <Jeremy, foul language will not be tolerated here.> money.
how many laden are created by CIA?
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*ahem* Oh, WillyP!
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:o
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Jeremy, check your PM's :-\
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I'm guessing sophisticated spambot.
I saw something like this on the D2X-XL forum a few days ago.
If you are alive, apologies.
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anyone new, and you all go and attack them :)
I don't know if this person is real or not. I know I have said they some posted legitimate sites, and it turns out not to be a real person, or is, and is just sending out random posts/replies.
Who knows.
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It may just be making posts so it can use the gallery... innapropriately?
Never mind that it made a post in every single recent thread on this site in about one hour tops... I was watching this morning. I left to do some work, came back at most one hour later and this... thing had posted something in every recent thread - and then some.
It may be a person playing a practical joke (Karx is a good programmer ;D). If it was a spambot I'd think it would be back by now, spamming whatever it's supposed to spam. I'll check the gallery.
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The other thing I can think it could be doing is looking at people's profiles to find out emails.
And if it's not either of those, whoever it is is not very intelligent.
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I'm with Vanguard, I think you're being quick to judge. I notice newbies to forums can say or do something...inadvisable things before, so they're not ALL spammers or spambots.
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now if one stops at a good number like 10 and doesn't exceed farther, then that may be another story.
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now if one stops at a good number like 10 and doesn't exceed farther, then that may be another story.
Not unusual. Made a few posts, then forgot the site exists.
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People often get nervous when they join new places because you have no frame of reference when it comes to online communities about the people or ... general dynamic of the place... no faces or body language or whatever.
I've joined places before and said things that weren't well received. Even with the best of intentions you can make a hoarde of enemies in a place. Sometimes it can be that you're shy and want to make a big impression. Sometimes that doesn't work.
Once I joined a small, now defunct (thankfully) game dev community thing. It was really crummy. Anyway I tried to tell people that slagging off newcomers who wanted advice on their games was not completely the way to do because they would be discouraged and not code anymore. But everyone seemed to think that balanced criticism, where you weigh up the good as well as the bad was not on the menu and that *I* was the problem for suggesting that people temper their criticism to avoid a complete thread of slagging-off peoples' hard work (even if it was beginners' quality).
Whatever, anyway, just an example.
Place was run by an angry German anyway. I've nothing against the Germans. I worked for them for a year and they were wonderful, brilliant people but this guy had a child's mentality.
I know how bad language is not great but I bet the Jeremy's post in its original format was pretty funny! It certainly made me laugh, filling in the blank.
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It originally said the long form of "effing" so I was like *AHEM!* Ohhhhh, WiiiiillyPPPPP!!! lol!
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and this is coming from a guy who offered us those fun loving Descent 3 taunts :)
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Wait what? ;D
(My taunts are self made or quotes by Shadow the Hedgehog :hmph:).
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I knew I should have quoted Alieo. Alieo is the one that offered us those taunts with some language. and he is the one that pointed out the F word to be looked at and removed.
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I don't know what taunts you're talking about.
I didn't start playing multiplayer until 06 or 08, sooo...
I could have heard some of those taunts or they could have been made by other people after he left. I mean, like I said, I make my own taunts (which are more like robot taunts in D1/2 actually), or I record lines out of other games. So I assume some other people do too (and I mean, that's obviously right :P).
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http://www.planetdescent.net/index.php?topic=560.msg7599#msg7599
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PSSH! Jeremy just flat out went F*PTT*CK and didn't even think about the forum rules. *I* for one asked permission in THAT thread.
So, NO TABASCO IN MY MOUTH!!!
*Looks in Jeremy.west's direction*
*shakes bottle*
*grins*
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I like Tabasco.
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that evil grin reminds me of when I have the "Death Machine" in the Call of Duty Black Ops zombie map.
actually, I always have that evil grin when playing C.O.D. :)