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Technical => Technical => Topic started by: NUMBERZero on January 27, 2010, 06:30:32 AM

Title: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: NUMBERZero on January 27, 2010, 06:30:32 AM
I get an error message that simpily says:
Fail to create registry key for Descent 3.

What does that mean?
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: -<WillyP>- on January 27, 2010, 11:34:05 AM
It means you don't have admin access on that machine. Maybe someone has a workaround.
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: S13driftAZ on January 27, 2010, 12:39:19 PM
LOL

restart computer in safe mode, log in to administrator account, add password 'admin' to administrator account, restart in regular windows, right click descent in my computer and click 'run as', in the window that pops up click run as user 'administrator' and type in your password 'admin'.

Congrats, you hacked the school... don't get caught bro.

EDIT: I have tried this only on XP so it may not work on win98 or whatever garbage OS your school may provide. KTHXBYE
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: NUMBERZero on January 27, 2010, 01:00:23 PM
Strange how D1/D2 will run but D3 won't. I'm playing them directly from the flash drive. I don't really want to haxx the computers, but whatever.
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: SaladBadger on January 27, 2010, 01:33:04 PM
LOL

restart computer in safe mode, log in to administrator account, add password 'admin' to administrator account, restart in regular windows, right click descent in my computer and click 'run as', in the window that pops up click run as user 'administrator' and type in your password 'admin'.

Congrats, you hacked the school... don't get caught bro.

EDIT: I have tried this only on XP so it may not work on win98 or whatever garbage OS your school may provide. KTHXBYE

I hate to point this out, but many schools have actual security pratsices that will prevent that. I just checked it on a virtual machine and you can't log in to administrator without a password, and if the password is something other than admin it won't work.

And I hate to say this, but that isn't *hacking*, it's abusing a security hole because some networks aren't configured well
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: S13driftAZ on January 27, 2010, 09:30:44 PM
And I hate to say this, but that isn't *hacking*, it's abusing a security hole because some networks aren't configured well
Man ya killed it
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: TechPro on January 27, 2010, 09:48:26 PM
LOL

restart computer in safe mode, log in to administrator account, add password 'admin' to administrator account, restart in regular windows, right click descent in my computer and click 'run as', in the window that pops up click run as user 'administrator' and type in your password 'admin'.

Congrats, you hacked the school... don't get caught bro.

EDIT: I have tried this only on XP so it may not work on win98 or whatever garbage OS your school may provide. KTHXBYE
The ability to use that method to get in with Administrator rights is pretty strong evidence that the tech support for that particular school is ... pathetic if not totally non-existent.... and I'm being nice.
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: S13driftAZ on January 27, 2010, 10:04:14 PM
The ability to use that method to get in with Administrator rights is pretty strong evidence that the tech support for that particular school is ... pathetic if not totally non-existent.... and I'm being nice.
Yeah, my junior high school blowed.
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: NUMBERZero on February 03, 2010, 12:00:08 PM
Here is an update, I go to start it through the regular launcher and when Iclike launch, it says that I need to go into settings and detect the "system properties" under the speed tab. I go ahead and detect the properties and click ok to run the settings that it suggests, I go to play again, and it says the same thing.
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: SaladBadger on February 03, 2010, 03:42:42 PM
It simpily can't write its settings as a limited user due to bad programming (there's a system space, and a per-user space in the registry)
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: TechPro on February 03, 2010, 04:26:19 PM
InsanityBringer is right that it's because it isn't being able to save it's configuration settings ... because you don't have sufficient rights to the computer for it to save the selected settings (not because of "bad programming").

It's too bad Descent 3 wasn't programmed to place settings according to "per user" because that *might* have gotten around what you're seeing ... but if they had done that, then when you install Descent 3 on a computer that has more than one user name used on it, Descent 3 would have needed to be configured for each user ... usually undesirable and a bit of a pain.  When Descent 3 was designed, such setups were very rare expect in business environments (and I don't think Descent 3 qualifies as a "business" app).  Totally understandable that they designed Descent 3 the way they did.  As is, Descent 3 would only need configured once (ideally).  Since your school has the computers "locked down" to prevent you making system wide changes (a smart move by the school, btw) ... Descent 3 is not able to save the configuration.
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: SaladBadger on February 03, 2010, 07:29:51 PM
The "Bad Programming" thing came from the fact that there are programming pratcises (not hacky ones) that allow config settings to be stored on a per-user basis. May be something to look at if the source is released
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: TechPro on February 03, 2010, 09:07:20 PM
Yeah, if the source code does become available, I'd vote for an option to have the settings set "system wide" or "per user" so that if different configurations were desired, it could be done ... or not.
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: -<WillyP>- on February 04, 2010, 04:00:08 PM
I think you should change your name:

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png)
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: NUMBERZero on February 04, 2010, 08:17:18 PM
Hah! One of my friends told me the password to what I think would have been an admin user. It had a bunch of files for this year's yearbook. SABOTAGE! Nawww. I just tried out D3 again, but it failed....But what I should have done was look up the picture of one Freshman, print it out, take it down to the shooting range, invite my Spanish 2 class (except the Freshman), and we can all have at it. Heck! I'd invite the teacher! We all hate him! XD
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: D2Disciple on February 05, 2010, 08:56:40 AM
That might be fun...

... Except for the part about, ya know, a flagrant HIPAA violation of epic proportions and subsequently the expulsion, arrest, and impending litigation you'd inevitably receive.  ::)
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: -<WillyP>- on February 05, 2010, 09:09:00 AM
Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act??? Had to Google HIPAA...

Quote
The HIPAA Privacy Standards require physicians to protect the privacy of patients' medical information.

How does that relate?

Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: Thomas on February 05, 2010, 09:43:28 AM
Strange how D1/D2 will run but D3 won't. I'm playing them directly from the flash drive. I don't really want to haxx the computers, but whatever.
D3 needs access to the HKLM registry hive while D1 and D2 don't even know there's a registry.
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: Thomas on February 05, 2010, 09:46:10 AM
The ability to use that method to get in with Administrator rights is pretty strong evidence that the tech support for that particular school is ... pathetic if not totally non-existent.... and I'm being nice.
I wouldn't worry about this.
Many school computers allow this. As soon as the machine is rebooted everything's gone anyway.
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: TechPro on February 05, 2010, 04:50:11 PM
The ability to use that method to get in with Administrator rights is pretty strong evidence that the tech support for that particular school is ... pathetic if not totally non-existent.... and I'm being nice.

I wouldn't worry about this.
Many school computers allow this. As soon as the machine is rebooted everything's gone anyway.

Normally I'd agree that it isn't anything to worry about ... but he was able to access stuff that had been there a while.  Products like Deep Freeze (http://www.faronics.com/html/Deepfreeze.asp) (which restores/preserves systems like you described) would have erased those files, plus it is evident the school took some security steps (though insufficient).     If they were using something like Deep Freeze, they'd have no need to do the extra security steps.

I doubt his school using using anything like that ... currently.   But maybe they will after this?
Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: D2Disciple on February 05, 2010, 05:35:33 PM
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Sorry. I'm getting confused about HIPAA, WillyP. There is something extremely similar for schools, basically making it illegal to tell anyone anything about anybody without breaking a law. If there is any identifier ("Johnny was sent to detention today...") at all in the description, it's a huge infraction. It's incredible. A security breach in a school computer allowing the download of a student's photo ID from a database would put that school, as well as NUMBERZero, under serious scrutiny. My mother was a substitute teacher. It's illegal to tell other teachers about another student's behavior, according to her training. A leaked picture could possibly cost school faculty their jobs.

That said, this may actually be a part of HIPAA. It's a huge act, and it entails more than just health insurance. I know that, where I work, I am bound by HIPAA to the letter and I have no part in healthcare. Pretty much anybody who uses computers with potentially sensitive information about health or information is supposed to be bound by HIPAA.

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Title: Re: D3 won't start on school computers, error message
Post by: -<WillyP>- on February 06, 2010, 05:12:04 AM
Ok, that sounds right, I didn't read in depth.