Planet Descent
Community => Mess Hall => Topic started by: blessu on August 11, 2011, 03:34:17 AM
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Save me trawling...wondered what does d3 run best under...have got the bug back so thinking about upgrading to a dedicated PC running on lap top, wireless, windows (crappy) vista at moment, although getting no network loss and reasonable ping...based in London, any advice would help as am bit of a novice who wants to learn more thks, d34e blessu all
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I've had good luck with Windows XP; and *cough* an operating system on my avatar. Mandriva Linux worked well too; I believe I used the software wine.
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Windows 7 > Windows XP mode > Profit???
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Windows 7 > Windows XP mode > Profit???
are you saying 7 is XP but slightly polished? I have allergies and it's clouding up my mind. Never tried 7. Hated Vista.
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It works fine on XP and I've seen it work just fine on 7 also. All of the other platforms work just as well, too.
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I'm saying use Windows XP mode on Windows 7 and profit.
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I'm saying use Windows XP mode on Windows 7 and profit.
I'm sure you know what you're talking about. I never heard that, but I left Windows when Vista came around. I actually left Windows before hand for the most part.
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There's no need to use XP mode in Windows 7. Descent3 runs perfectly in Win7 as it is.
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I'm saying use Windows XP mode on Windows 7 and profit.
That's a big negatory. Way too much pain, especially since Descent 3 works just fine under Windows 7.
... and regarding "Windows XP Mode" for Windows 7 .... junk it. If you have to have a virtual machine for some reason (and there are very few reasons), use VMWare's free VMPlayer instead and enjoy life more.
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Why not use windows XP mode? It's better than VMPlayer because it's integrated with the host OS.
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Actually, the fact is that neither of those are needed.
As Foil and Techpro already said, D3 runs very well on Windows 7 as it is, no need to use virtual computers or XP mode at all.
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I was speaking simply in general in response to techpro.
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I was weary about Windows 7 at first after the Vista disaster but I've been using it for 8 months now and now have that "stability" feeling that XP had. Of course, my XP lasted 5 years before getting ravaged by a virus. My fault though. I didn't have virus protection. This time I do. Right now I am nearing the end of a 2 year Norton protection (yeah I know it sucks) but I'm gonna get Security Essentials after it's expired.
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I've been using Windows 7 for a few months now, and thus far I have no complaints. Actually, I kind of like how it does things over past Windows systems. Save networking to other computers, have had a few problems with that, but that's more an issue of how I do it. Seems very stable too; can't say I've ever had it crash on me yet.
As I haven't installed D3 on Win7 yet, I can't personally vouch for how well it'll run, but I have no reason to think that it wouldn't run just fine.
The only thing that really bugs me about Windows 7 is it's name. Why name it Windows 7? It's not even Microsoft's seventh operating system by my count (they're already over seven).
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7 can be very twitchy about sharing with XP machines over the local network.
Sometimes if you type the machine's address ie.: \\AKINA\ it shows up, even if it doesn't appear in the list of machines on the network.
Remote Desktop seems to work fine with all the older OSs though.
Problem is that the XP machines don't seem to see the 7 ones at all.
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The only thing that really bugs me about Windows 7 is it's name. Why name it Windows 7? It's not even Microsoft's seventh operating system by my count (they're already over seven).
Actually, it is their seventh major OS version update, by their own count:
[See here for more info] (http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/archive/b/windowsvista/archive/2008/10/14/why-7.aspx)
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hmmm lets see Windows 3 was the first, so W95 would be 4, W98 would be 5, XP, 6. Vista should have been 7!
( I didn't count ME, 2000, or NT cause those are DIFFERENT! ) :P
Maybe MS though Vista was DIFFERENT!
Edit: NVM! Foil posted while I was typing... Oh, that really clears it up, thank you Foil! ::)
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I think MS is trying to sweep Vista under the rug. It was too premature to come out when it did as they should have just waited to go straight to 7 and treat Vista as a beta version.
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my job will NOT have Vista. They are XP or 7 only.
It's one thing I agree about this place. Vista-is-bad!
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I noticed that the local university in my area used Vista until the moment Win 7 came out, and then they all promptly upgraded and never went back. One could argue that they're just doing the obvious thing and upgrading as new tech comes out to stay kept up with the times, it's just the speed they did it with...something tells me they were a lot happier with Win 7 than Vista. :P I've never actually used Vista personally, but I've seen and know enough about it that I'm probably happier with that. :P
@ Foil: I suppose that makes sense...I still say Microsoft has a funny numbering system, though. ::)
@ Crash: I've actually had more trouble trying to talk with systems older than XP than XP itself. Which in a way, is logical.
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you talk to systems? you need something called fresh air ;D
I did talk to my computer a few times; "I love you Linux! You're the best! You the system!"
My story with Vista:
1. Installed Vista
2. Opened a program that is by default, on the system.
3. "Do I trust what I am opening up? yes."
4. "Am I sure? Yes."
5. "Okay, why am I being asked if I am sure I want to open up a basic program off the stupid OS?"
6. "Nevermind; off to Call of Duty 2."
7. Installed Call of Duty 2.
8. "What's this? A message saying I need to install something?"
9. Installed software
10. "What's this? An error message about the software that I just installed? Software that is 100% legit from a VERY trusted and well known site."
11. "Trash can, meet Vista."
this was probably all within an hour of using it. it would have been less if I didn't take the installation of COD2 into an account.
Some say I wasn't patient enough. I gave it the three strikes and you're out rule.
Strike one; you're Windows
Strike two; you're making it hard to play Call of Duty 2
Strike three; you're windows and I can't play Call of Duty 2.
Vista is:
Virtually
Impossible
System
To
Apprecaite
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@ Foil: I suppose that makes sense...I still say Microsoft has a funny numbering system, though. ::)
Yeah, it's a bit inconsistent, but at least the article shows their version conventions.
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Vista is:
Virtually
Impossible
System
To
Apprecaite
I called Vista the operating system for the paranoid once. Seems to me those would be the only people who might like it. :P
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i made up that VISTA part up like, right after I posted that.
I know VISTA must stand for something.
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Well, I had 64-bit version of Vista once, and... suprisingly, I had not much of an issue.
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yeah, but you have to turn on the computer and actually use it ;D
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@VG: Considering the fact that I was posting to the forums at that time, both PD and others, I think it is safe to say I had no issue?
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did you buy this preinstalled on a computer? I hear those who bought PC's with Vista pre installed, it typically worked better.
Me on the other hand; I had a custom built PC.
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I was relatively happy with Vista when it first came out (I had it on a laptop and on a machine I built). Many peripherals didn't have drivers ready at that time, but I didn't have any problems.
Now, after SP1 and SP2, Vista runs nearly as well as 7.
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Hmm. Yea, I did bought it pre-installed... Oh, I also remember now, it had SP2 (or 1, but it HAD a SP.). Hence I had no issue :D
Which also makes me remember one thing: Before this machine, I had another box with Vista 32 bit pre-installed... That was also the time when Vista was new. And it sucked like HELL.
Anyways, both machines had D3 running without any issues (Except some crashes happening time to time). I had trouble with editing tools instead (OOFEditor), but I got a workaround for that too (alOOF).
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I bought Vista when it was brand new.
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I bought Vista when it was brand new.
Ow... ;D
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@ Foil: I suppose that makes sense...I still say Microsoft has a funny numbering system, though. ::)
Yeah, it's a bit inconsistent, but at least the article shows their version conventions.
Well, that is just it, it is their convention. Any numbering system is arbitrary, and at the whim of the developers.
Anyway, I am still using XP and other than the fact it won't play DarkSeed I am pretty happy with it.
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IMHO, Win 7 is a really good Operating System.
In many regards, I could say it's the best Operating system I've used from Microsoft, with XP being the second.
So, unless you have some bunch of old programs that may not run on 7, I highly recommend an upgrade to Windows 7 (or like me, install both systems in a dual-boot scheme). :)
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Never used 7. personally anyway. there are some at my job but I use it for one or two things. I can't say I love XP, but it's the best Windows OS I ever had.
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I've made my living as a computer tech for nearly 22 years and have worked with DOS since ver. 2.0, worked with every version of Windows since ver. 2 (Windows 3.0 was awesome compared to ver. 2), worked with OS/2 (before IBM destroyed it as OS/2 Warp), worked with all versions of Mac OS from version 6 to Lion (the newest), and played around with a number of Linux flavors over the years ... and I gotta say that Windows 7 is hands down the best version of Windows, ever.
Which OS is best for running Descent 3... I have to say Windows only because it was first designed for Windows and is thus inherently fits with it better. Which version of Windows is best for running Descent 3 is ... A bit subjective because how well Descent 3 runs depends a LOT on the stability of the given system (regardless which OS version), the performance and stability of the drivers (again, regardless which OS version), and the performance of the computer's hardware. Other than that, it's almost a toss-up between XP and 7 because if the hardware and drivers are well matched to XP, Descent 3 should run well and can take advantage of the hardware performance. With Windows 7 being a much better OS, you may be able to do even better, but because Descent 3 wasn't designed for the technology of Windows 7 there are (and probably will be) certain issues. It also doesn't help that Descent 3 has it's own annoying issues due to it's own flaws (can anyone say "Main.Exe error"?).
I will not say which OS (Windows, Mac, Linux, etc.) is best simply because "the best" does not exist and each is superior in it's own way. If the OS meets your needs, works good on your hardware, you're happy with it, and you don't need a different OS for some reason, then you've got the right OS for you.
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1. Mandriva Linux
2. Windows XP (64bit Pro)
What a big difference between 98 and XP; lke online.
In some cases, I think Linux can run windows software better because windows can bog down quickly.
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That's because Linux does better memory management than Windows XP or earlier. Windows 7 (especially 64bit) manages memory a whole lot better than previous Windows versions.
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yeah. I installed Windows XP, CLEAN installation. ONLY ran Call of Duty 2; and it started to bog down some.
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What I want to know is, and this is probably a bit off topic, but what OS or more specifically "system requirements" are best for handling D2X-XL with ALL high quality features turned on and up to the max... full lighting, coronas on, smoke, shadows, etc? Because on the Windows 7 laptop I have, which is circa late 2009, it does not allow to let all those features be able to run without it getting too bogged down. I have to turn all smoke, shadow and other dramatic effects off. Graphics are excellent, but effects are PPPTTTT!!! Freezes worse than a Canadian winter.
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I only know of one machine capable of running all of those effects at the max, and that's Diedel's wonder machine of a computer. ;D And I think even he confessed once that it got laggy at times (feel free to correct me, though).
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...what OS or more specifically "system requirements" are best for handling D2X-XL with ALL high quality features turned on and up to the max... full lighting, coronas on, smoke, shadows, etc? Because on the Windows 7 laptop I have, which is circa late 2009, it does not allow to let all those features be able to run without it getting too bogged down.
The problem is not the OS. D2X-XL runs well on Windows 7.
The reason for the effects slowdown on your rig is that it's a laptop. Even with current graphics chipsets, the laptops are limited when it comes to rendering power.
Heck, even with my powerful gaming desktop rig, D2X-XL starts getting laggy if I turn all the effects on.