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Community => Mess Hall => Topic started by: VANGUARD on October 01, 2013, 07:02:51 PM
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I understand this is a tricky conversation. Like "aspartame", some will say it's good, it's fine, don't worry; while other say "stay away from it!"
I have been drinking Vitamin Water for maybe a year or two. I don't consider it "healthy", mostly because of the calories/sugar, etc.. It's no health drink by any means.
But what does Crystalline fructose do to a person?
I have run to the bathroom for something; key word "run"; or #2. I have read somewhere that this may be the reason behind it. Problem is, some websites say it's good, some not; or they talk about something like that.
People go by what they want to hear, not so much by what is true. So maybe this question I am going to ask will help.
Has anyone had Vitamin Water or anything with Crystalline fructose and experience anything not quite right?
I had a bad episode with "aspartame", but I am not 100% over things yet. This Vitamin Water, compared to most drinks, is still something somewhat new in my diet.
Any help would be appreciated!
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Never heard of it. But I will say, sometimes just 'something new' is, I think, enough to trigger the symptom you mention.
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It seemed fine for a while, to drink Vitamin Water. I either didn't drink much, or any feelings/side effects I felt I may have ignored until after the aspartame episode.
Now, I'm more aware of how I feel.
I could drink Vitamin Water, but I don't think I want to.
Thanks WillyP for your advice. and may be the best. we are different, some can handle things some can't. something new affecting a person differently is a good sign it's no good.
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When all else fails, use Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystalline_fructose) :P
Actually, all that tells us is that there may be room for some concern, but my view of it is that until some conclusive evidence can be presented that it is truly harmful in any manner, it shouldn't hurt to keep using it, at least in moderation. Sounds like it'd just be easier to use regular sugar though, IMO.
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I think when I didn't drink it too often, I may have felt better. When I depended on it more than just having soda, it may have gotten worse. I love pure water, and drink it daily when at work, and sometimes at home during the weekend.
We all react differently to things. Someone I worked with drinks Crystal Light a lot, didn't get to him. I did, and I panicked. I may be more sensitive to things.
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Just plain water is all I drink. And coffee.
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I have gone 30 days without soda. I did it without a drop, and I do mean ALL sodas. There were no exceptions, no diet, no de-caf, no "healthier alternative" if that kind of pop even exists.
I only had water daily, and 1 bottle of Vitamin Water a day.
I'm working on less soda, 2 or 3 cans a day. Still high, but now it's not Vitamin Water thrown into it as well.
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Most foods found in our grocers' nowadays contain more chemicals than a high school chemistry lab. There's no need to put all these preservatives in our foods because of how fast we consume things. If you want preservatives, get some RTE meals for long-term 15 year shelf life in the event of a disaster, but try to eat as naturally as possible.
Easier said than done. I'm a cereal fiend, and those, even the organic ones, contain boatloads of chemicals and preservatives and whatnot. I think it's the government's way of population control... to give us cancer to counter the failing social security system. Heck, they've even come out recently and said salt is not only good for you, but essential in your diet; too little or too much, and your blood pressure will spin out of control... but it specifies SEA SALT, and not that Morton's table salt manufactured crap.
Sure food prices are going up, but most of the regular grocery stores items stay priced about the same. That's because they're loaded with unhealthy chemicals. Most of your natural foods are super super expensive, and that's because that's really what the cost of food is. Factory farming and bio-engineering of GMOs for consumption practices are at all time highs. How do you feed a lot of people really fast? Grow the food fast, whether you're growing plants or animals. After working at the Kroger customer care counter a couple of years ago and had a customer return pork that had a live tumor growing on it, I'd never buy meat from the local bog box supermarkets ever again. Local meat for me from now on please.
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Umm... NaCl is always NaCl. It doesn't matter where it comes from as long as it's clean. And sea salt is just as likely to have some kind of extraction residue on it as anything that's made in a lab.
"Sea Salt" is a label people put on to make it sound natural, but it's not like it comes from a host of different plants and animals each with slightly different genes and slightly different chemical structures. NaCl is always NaCl.
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Well, only for the most part. Table salt actually is processed with a few additives for either to help it from clumping, or to address various health concerns, etc. Sea salt, however, is truly raw and unprocessed salt, with none of that added stuff. Or at least so it should be. Whether or not the sea salt you can buy in stores actually IS that, I cannot say.
As for preservatives, I can agree that preservatives are perhaps used a little too excessively in the world, but, economically speaking, they are necessary, otherwise those foodstuffs would barely keep long enough to go from wherever it is that they are grown/made to store shelves to be bought. If most of your product goes bad before it can even be bought by consumers, then that's obviously bad for business.
Could we still do with less preservatives? Probably. But it's still a subject of much debate on whether or not most of these preservatives are actually causing any harm to anybody, so until it's settled among the majority that they are, businesses going to keep on using them.
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eh, my point is that manufactured doesn't automatically mean bad for you and natural doesn't automatically mean good for you. Processed cheese is still better for you than all-natural cyanide XD. The process of evaporation that separates sea salt from water also separates everything else that was dissolved in the water. So either it's chemically sanitized or when you eat all-natural sea salt you're also eating all-natural dolphin pee and other things. Either way it's not so simple.
My other point is that Sodium Chloride itself -- not counting additives -- is just as good for you no matter where it comes from, because it doesn't have any molecular differences from place to place, like living things do.
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amazing how bad things are, and what they accept.
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Sometimes the only choice is between one bad thing and another. When that happens you can't fault people for choosing. It doesn't mean they've accepted it ;).
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speaking of government, just got a letter in the mail today that i have to pick Obamacare or be penalized. not doing anything wrong, but will be fined.
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Please don't put words in my snout.
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who are you talking to?
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At first I was responding to Texace's comment about salt, and then I thought I was talking to you.
And I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about any government.
Last post I was going to ask you the same question, but I got a little bit offended. I can see how you might have thought I was talking about government though. If you weren't actually responding to that post I apologize.
For the record I was talking about buying food, especially if you don't have much money.
But if I found a live tumor in my meat I'd be pretty freaked out too.
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I apologize, I should have quoted the person that brought up the government stuff. I can understand the confusion, sorry again.
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eh, my point is that manufactured doesn't automatically mean bad for you and natural doesn't automatically mean good for you. Processed cheese is still better for you than all-natural cyanide XD. The process of evaporation that separates sea salt from water also separates everything else that was dissolved in the water. So either it's chemically sanitized or when you eat all-natural sea salt you're also eating all-natural dolphin pee and other things. Either way it's not so simple.
My other point is that Sodium Chloride itself -- not counting additives -- is just as good for you no matter where it comes from, because it doesn't have any molecular differences from place to place, like living things do.
When using salt in a neti pot you need to use store-bought non-iodized salt or some that you can get from a pharmacy, because in sea salt you have the risk of traces of algae being left over in the sea salt.
Edibility is fine, but just saying, it's there.
Something that gets me is Natural vs. Artificial flavoring. It is the exact same chemical in the end, just obtained in a different way and applied to food in the same manner. Artificial flavors actually almost guarantee there are no trace amounts of other substances in the flavoring, while in natural flavors there can be such substances. In some cases, these substances can be poisonous, but generally not enough to dangerously harm you (a couple of drops of a flavor chemical is enough to strongly flavor all of the water in a hotel swimming pool). Yet natural flavors sell for more because of the word "natural."
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Well to be sure that the artificial things are 100% safe it's really important to know how it's made. In a perfect system where you could get every element in a neat little plastic bag and all you'd need to do is combine them it wouldn't be a worry but most people who've taken grade 11 chemistry know it doesn't work that way (although sometimes we don't know we know it! ;D) and for companies cost is a big big issue too. The easiest way to create any salt is a neutralization reaction. The easiest way to create table salt is by combining hydrochloric acid with sodium hydroxide and then evaporating the water. But you'd better make sure all the equipment is working properly and everyone in the plant is paying attention to their work or you've got stomach acid in your sodium chloride and if you've ever had a really bad flu where you're vomiting nothing but bile and stomach acid, you might think that's worse than eating all-natural dolphin pee. Or not. Up to you.
But that's why we have health inspectors. Well, at least Canada does right now.
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Oh yeah, if you thought the state of food production is in anyway bad now, compare it to how it was done back in the late nineteenth, early twentieth century, when all that was just beginning to become industrialized and before we had all of this regulation. *shudders* I'll take today's food production practices over that any day, thank you very much. ;)
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In the meantime (well, not the nineteenth century meantime :P) many of the same companies are still capitalizing on this by selling anything they deem "natural" for a good deal more money because they know people will pay for it. Sort of like what Enzo said about flavouring.
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But that's why we have health inspectors. Well, at least Canada does right now.
US has health inspectors too, and at least some of them are doing their job, as you hear about companies getting caught cutting corners every now and then.
Unfortunately, this brings to mind the perhaps biggest downside to capitalism. The faster you can get your product out into the market, the more you can dominate the market, and the more you can dominate the market, the more money you get. When adhering to the rules, there's little wrong with this usually, but the greedy often get it in their heads that if they cut corners, they can produce more goods, thereby more profit, and that's when we start getting into things like this health issues/violations that gets everybody into trouble.
And anyway, it doesn't really matter to the sellers if it's good for people or not. If people are willing to buy lots and lots of it, they're going to sell lots and lots of it, and consequences overlooked. How do you think the cigarette market got to be so successful, even still today, despite the growing awareness that smoking is seriously bad for your health?
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And anyway, it doesn't really matter to the sellers if it's good for people or not. If people are willing to buy lots and lots of it, they're going to sell lots and lots of it, and consequences overlooked. How do you think the cigarette market got to be so successful, even still today, despite the growing awareness that smoking is seriously bad for your health?
I agree that people will buy what they want, despite what warnings they are given. maybe I'm wrong, but it's the warnings that SHOULD be there, that aren't.
Aspartame is not good. It's very harmful, but they don't warn you that, no. They don't just have aspartame in some horribly obvious bad food/drink, they have it in what? Crystal Light, something that is advertised to be "healthy".
That's what I don't like. I know pop is bad. I try to limit it. I thought Crystal Light was healthy, and a good chance to get off pop, it turned out horrible, as my anxiety shot through the roof multiple times.
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Well I meant that the health inspectors in the US have now been furloughed because of the government shutdown. Or at least that's what I'd heard.
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speaking of government, just got a letter in the mail today that i have to pick Obamacare or be penalized. not doing anything wrong, but will be fined.
Take the fine! That's what I'm doing... For my income bracket, which is a 28 year old male making under $25K per year, the LOWEST end of the bronze Obamacare plan will cost me a staggering $250 per month... $250! I mean, hell, I can't even afford to move out on my own yet, let alone THAT extra payment. That'll cost me $3K per year! F*** that! The penalty for me is gonna be $145 annually. I'm healthy, and don't need to see the damn doctor for anything! Screw Obama(un)care!
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Well I meant that the health inspectors in the US have now been furloughed because of the government shutdown. Or at least that's what I'd heard.
Inspectors are generally not federal employees, so I doubt it.
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A lot of the workers have found loopholes in the shutdown so to be able to go back to work in the meantime anyway, so there's that too.
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Whether one likes Obama or not is one thing, but Obamacare is wrong. This is an invasion on our own freedom. It's our own responsibility/choice on if we want health care.
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Wow. I don't even know where to start.
But I told myself I wouldn't get involved in this debate. No matter how tempting it is.
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After I posted it, I feared that maybe I am stepping into a land mine.
It's not really my intention. It just upsets me because now there is something that they demand from us, or we get penalized. That's really bad. This isn't a "no smoking here" or "we ban guns there", it's "get our healthcare, or we penalize you."
It's our choice. It should be.
But, ah, why get into this?
Is it just me, or what? It seems like everything I bring up on here, turns into a risky topic. I stopped going to a Linux forum because I got sick of the b.s. that was going on there, mostly about a rule you can't bring up. II suppose what upsetted me was that the only answer I could give was something that broke one of their rules.
Not only did they PM me saying "You do that again, and it's time out", but afterwards, they started to delete every post of mine that broke that rule. Just flat out delete it. And when I confronted them in the topic, they said something like "we don't wish to offend others" and "what you believe is true, may be a lie or false to the readers." and I replied, "well, if they read it has being false, why be offended? why delete my post?"
Sorry, I'm tired, and I should go to bed.
This topic was primarily about Crystalline Fructose. I think it's been answered, or enough. Whether some react to it or all, it certainly did something to me. At least I believe so.
I thank all for their advice, two cents, etc..
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I thought you just had to have SOME form of healthcare, not necessarily the federal plan?
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The plan has to meet gubmint approval. So that means everyone has to pay for birth control, abortions, etc...
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But I told myself I wouldn't get involved in this debate. No matter how tempting it is.
My solution to this sort of thing on the web is to go into a state of denial, and pretend nothing of the such is actually taking place.
Speaking of...what debate do you speak of? I don't see any debate... :P
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I thought you just had to have SOME form of healthcare, not necessarily the federal plan?
I might through my temp agency, but it was my temp agency that sent the letter.
But I told myself I wouldn't get involved in this debate. No matter how tempting it is.
My solution to this sort of thing on the web is to go into a state of denial, and pretend nothing of the such is actually taking place.
Speaking of...what debate do you speak of? I don't see any debate... :P
I mentioned Obamacare and how bad it is.
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But I told myself I wouldn't get involved in this debate. No matter how tempting it is.
My solution to this sort of thing on the web is to go into a state of denial, and pretend nothing of the such is actually taking place.
Speaking of...what debate do you speak of? I don't see any debate... :P
Kaiaa wishes he could do that.
Just like the stuff this thread is actually about, it's not so simple. You talk about being able to make a choice whether or not to have health care, Vanguard, but less fortunate people get that choice made for them because they only have the option of no health care. If it had gone the way your government wanted they wouldn't need to give you that tax, but someone powerful has got it set in their head that not having money for whatever reason means you don't deserve even basic health care. There's a reason there's still a 3 year difference in the average life expectancy between Canada and the States. I shouldn't have to tell you which one is higher.
And you of all people, Vanguard, should understand that a lot of the time, not having money isn't your fault.
I will not say anything more. I am blacklisting this thread. Or something.
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You are confusing health care with health insurance. In the US, no one is denied health care, no matter how poor they are, no matter if they have insurance or not.
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I'm not always the most knowledgeable in this sort of stuff. I used to watch the news, but I don't have cable any more. Any time I watched the news, something was depressing. My old friend would always be around, talking about all the stuff that was going to happen to us.
I can get into any sort of topics. Some things I do see has being unsettling and offensive, but I typically ignore it. One site is imgur.com. I am sick of that site, because they are very pro "something". I'll leave it as that.
What also offends me is from that one Linux site, when I talked about something, and they removed my post.
I think this is why forums are hard for me to be on at times. I'm just some guy that loves to talk about something or someone, and it's at times, against the rules on here. I'm not here to try to preach or convert people. I was merely making a statement there, and it got removed.
While on the other hand, other people seemed to have the floor.
What am I doing? It's planetdescent. It's topics getting derailed :P
It's all good here. I don't mind us talking about this stuff.
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Where is TopGun and his fresh tasty padlock when you need him?
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Is this something I can lock?
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Is this something I can lock?
No, It has to be TG. For old times sake.
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I see an option that I can, but I can certainly allow him to, for old times sake. Once again, a topic I created, is being locked.
............yipee.......
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How about this... pay the "fee" once per year, and then when something pops up, get insurance! It's not like they can't deny you because of pre-existing conditions! MAJOR flaws with this healthcare law. Everyone's gonna do that anyways until it fails.
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Especially the young people who are supposed to be subsidizing this whole mess.
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What does the fructose say!
............yipee.......
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I'd rather pay for this than pay for social security, honestly. At least I see something come back to me for this. Social security all I see is people who either didn't plan properly being given money so they don't feel the consequences from their poor planning, or people who did plan properly getting extra money just for fun. And then, maybe if it hasn't been shut down by the time I hit old age, I'll get it all back. Why not just let me keep it to begin with? The only people who ever benefited from social security were the people who were already old enough to receive benefits at the time, who never paid a dime out of their paychecks for it.
And yet, everyone cries day in and day out about "Obamacare", but when you suggest taking away social security they all cry that we need it.
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Obamacare hurts a lot of small businesses, and a lot of doctors are not happy with this
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Don't even get me started on SS! Might as well throw your money down the toilet. No... there's a chance you can fish it out at the treatment plant... might as well BURN your money.
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This is part of the reason why I've been mostly indifferent towards Obamacare. It obviously is not perfect and not without potentially troubling flaws, but there are aspects of it where it improves upon our previous systems. So as I see it, it's potentially a step in the right direction, so I'm willing to try it. If problems come up, then go and fix them.
At least, that's how it SHOULD work.
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so... What improves?
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Well...I try to have faith that it at least improves something, let's put it that way.
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It improves the ability of less fortunate people to afford to pay for their own health care, which in turn improves their ability to get back into the workforce and contribute to the world. It's had a rocky start but that's not entirely Obama's fault...
I won't deny that it does cause some problems down in the States. But honestly your health care system as it works now, sucks, and "Obamacare" is as good a step as any to start improving it. It isn't anywhere near a final solution but I honestly think it's a step in the right direction. It's only one step on a long journey, but every journey starts with a single step. ;)
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I'm not mad at all. just writing this in bold, because I feel this has not been discussed. and is sort of a red flag,
Why are we being penalized if we don't accept?
Sorry if it's been discussed and I failed to see an answer that explains it.
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It improves the ability of less fortunate people to afford to pay for their own health care, which in turn improves their ability to get back into the workforce and contribute to the world. It's had a rocky start but that's not entirely Obama's fault...
I won't deny that it does cause some problems down in the States. But honestly your health care system as it works now, sucks, and "Obamacare" is as good a step as any to start improving it. It isn't anywhere near a final solution but I honestly think it's a step in the right direction. It's only one step on a long journey, but every journey starts with a single step. ;)
Exactly! That's my view on it. ;D
My only fear is that the stupid government will, instead of progressing forward, stall out, or worse still, start backpedaling. ::)
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Why are we being penalized if we don't accept?
I can be completely wrong, especially not being from your country, but the impression I get is that the Republican party isn't letting your government have any other way to pay for it. As for my impression of why they're doing that...
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It improves the ability of less fortunate people to afford to pay for their own health care, which in turn improves their ability to get back into the workforce and contribute to the world. It's had a rocky start but that's not entirely Obama's fault...
I won't deny that it does cause some problems down in the States. But honestly your health care system as it works now, sucks, and "Obamacare" is as good a step as any to start improving it. It isn't anywhere near a final solution but I honestly think it's a step in the right direction. It's only one step on a long journey, but every journey starts with a single step. ;)
Exactly! That's my view on it. ;D
My only fear is that the stupid government will, instead of progressing forward, stall out, or worse still, start backpedaling. ::)
Of course they will. The republicans have put too much of their publicity around stopping "Obamacare" to not repeal it first chance they get. If they don't, their staunchest supporters will be angry with them for not following through and their middle-road supporters will see that they're just spraying and praying, hoping to hit the target that will garner the most support.
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Pretty much everything said since my last post is wrong.
Poor people in this country were not denied healthcare under the old plan, and the ACA (Obamacare) does not help them 'pay for it themselves'. It will, however, take money from some to pay for others. Just like the old system, those who do pay, pay more to cover the cost of treat those who cannot, or will not. The ACA does however add a massive administration overload, and redistributes wealth on an unprecedented scale.
To say our old healthcare system sucks, is plain wrong, and pointless to this discussion. Medical care in the USA is the best in the world.
Everything big government does that the private sector can do, government does less efficiently, less honestly, and is eventually turned political. You are right the ACA is a step down a journey, the road we are traveling down is one that leads to single-payer. The ACA cannot succeed, which is why Republicans are fighting it.
Why are we being penalized if we don't accept?
I can be completely wrong, especially not being from your country, but the impression I get is that the Republican party isn't letting your government have any other way to pay for it. As for my impression of why they're doing that...
Your impression is wrong. The penalty won't come close to paying for the costs, there many new taxes that are being phased in to do that. However, the bulk of the payment is expected to come from young healthy workers, people who will see their insurance premiums jump tenfold but who rarely use healthcare. These people are being counted on to sign up in droves... see a problem here?
Republicans have nothing to do with that. Republicans did attempt to withhold funding from the ACA temporarily, by passing a budget that did not include funds for the ACA. However the Democrats refused to even talk about the budget, which is why the govt partially shutdown. (and... don't get me started on that :P )
The ACA was passed over strenuous objections from the Republicans, not one single Republican voted in favor of it. The Democrats passed it through by taking an unrelated bill that was passed through the House, a Democrat only group removed the entire contents of the bill, and inserted the contents of the ACA, and Democrat leaders rammed it through the without even reading it. Nancy Pelosi said, "you have to pass it to find out what's in it". Does this sound like a bill that had widespread bi-partisan support?
Why do you think congress chose to exempt them selves and their staff from this train wreck?
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I would like to know how, under your current system, somebody who can't afford insurance or their own health care, who has, say, deadly cancer, or deadly poisoning, or deadly something else, can get treatment so that they don't die. Does your system even have an answer to that within the system?
But you're not going to answer that question. And if you do I won't be listening. Because you insulted me directly, and I'm leaving.
If you want to tell somebody that a single-player health care system can't work, try telling it to somebody who doesn't live in a country where it does work and has personal experience to attest to that. You're insulting my intelligence and I'm not going to put up with that.
I don't want to be part of this and I didn't mean to get involved in the first place. This debate isn't going to change anything that will or won't happen. It won't even change anybody's point of view. All it will do is create bad blood in a community that's supposed to be a little bit famous for the opposite. I hope somebody sends me a PM or an email when it's over, because I'm leaving until that happens.
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Some people find this an invasion. We are being penalized if we don't sign up for Obamacare. At least that's what it sounded like in the letter that I got from my temp agency. That, and the fine will be higher each year.
Some think it's great to be socialist, and to help out everyone, and to pay some way to make sure everyone has health care.
In a sense, I can agree with both side. We should have more say in our money, yet it's nice to help out others. This is sort of a moral argument. I could get more into this, but this political talk is not really me. Plus, I have a hard time "typing" certain topics. It'd be easier to "say" it.
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I won't like to get into the debate (I don't like to discuss this kind of stuff on forums, TBH), and I'm not supporting any specific side.
I just would like to note, as a side topic and without entering in too much detail, that even with its several faults, Mexican health care system is a bit better in some ways that the USA system, and I say this from my own experience as a low income ex-patient of Cancer.
I'm in remission since some years already and the treatment and service was pretty good, near to excelent, at least in the hospital and system I got (At the 'Instituto Nacional de Cancerología'), and VERY, VERY cheap, all according nicely to my social-economic level and with not much of a hassle, even being bureaucratic as it is.
I would also like to note that Mexico already achieved (although very recently) Universal Healthcare system.
As much as Mexican government sucks (And believe me, it really sucks very, very badly in many aspects), the health care system is one of the few things that deserves to be highlighted. ;)
Some read about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Mexico)
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All this I said was said just as some wood for thought... :-X
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Yeah, I'm probably going to regret it later, but I have to side with Pumo on this in terms of the US's position on health care. It is true that we are among the best health care systems, but we are certainly not THE best. In fact, last time I checked, the Brits are actually seen to have the better health care, leaving the US starting to fall behind on health care, part of the reason why there was a push for health care reform that started all of this in the first place (that and for financial reasons that's debatedly a whole different ball park).
There's more I could say, but I don't see much point. In American politics it seems, when you favor one side, popular trend is to completely ignore the other, because it is "wrong" and will only "bring ruin to the country." Personally, I don't buy that. I like to try and look at the bigger picture if I can and consider more than one side where I can, which is why I get very frustrated with American politics, as this practice seems to becoming more and more of a minority, and sometimes I see and recognize things that others are not willing to because of this trend. So then I'm stuck, because there isn't much point in saying stuff people won't listen to, which is why I typically favor with the "leave me the heck out of it" political party.
Couple of us other Americans around here seem to be of roughly similar mentality, and I can't blame them. In fact, most have wisely kept out of this, which is what I should've done, but the...views...of certain details was starting to get to me (what I SHOULD'VE done was stopped reading the thread altogether, but I sometimes stupidly never do that).
Then there's Kai, who's Canadian and what he knows of American politics is probably all secondhand, as is usually the case of politics for countries that are not your own. Still, I like his outsider view of things. I think he sees more about our flawed systems than many Americans would care to admit to.
Speaking of Canada, and thus changing the topic (again), I heard on the radio today that you guys are passing some sort of law or something basically banning pre-packaged cable channels for TV, meaning customers will get to pick and chose what channels they want and don't want, or something like that. If so, I'm envious, I wish we had something like that state-side (which was why it was brought up on American news, so to discuss how unlikely it was something like that would happen in the US ::))