Planet Descent
Community => Mess Hall => Topic started by: Kaizerwolf on June 14, 2010, 07:20:20 PM
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I believe I have come up with a solution that benefits everyone.
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The way BP has been acting, them trying to do this wouldn't surprise me. I mean, they tried to put old tires and golfballs in there, Very scientific, BP.
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They already have been doing that. They take it, pour sand on it, and push it down about 5000 feet and call it fixed.
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They should freeze the source with liquid nitrogen. Problem solved. :D
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... Until it thaws.
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Well, It will at least give them some time to throw more golfballs in. ;D
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What they need to do is figure out some way to physically send someone down there with an arch wielder or something to patch up the leak. That's really the only thing that's going to stop it for any length of time.
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You can't weld a pipe with oil coming out at 5000 psi. Or any psi, to weld, you meed to melt metal. As soon as you melt the metal, the flow will blow the molten metal away.
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You can't weld a pipe with oil coming out at 5000 psi. Or any psi, to weld, you meed to melt metal. As soon as you melt the metal, the flow will blow the molten metal away.
Not to mention the, ahem, conductive nature of water, the explosive nature of oil, and the crushing nature of the ocean floor.
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Would a giant collection umbrella placed over the leak be a good idea? A huge or several tubes goes down to a big cup. They can suck out the oil when it gets to the top. It probably won't get all of the oil, but it will get some.
I think Darc has the idea with liquid nitrogen.
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The method they are using now is expected to capture 90% and when they finish the relief well, to stop the leak entirely. The problem is a large volume of flow creates ice* which blocks flow, so they need to close the vents on the cap slowly. Also they are having difficulty dealing with the volume of oil coming up through the pipe, as it is mixed with seawater. I believe they tried the umbrella, one of the first things they did. Or maybe they were just talking about it. The relief well is expected to be completed around the end of summer.
*actually they call it an 'ice-like slush'. Whatever that means. ::)
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You can't weld a pipe with oil coming out at 5000 psi. Or any psi, to weld, you meed to melt metal. As soon as you melt the metal, the flow will blow the molten metal away.
I said "or something." I kind of already figured that a welder wouldn't work under such conditions, but it was the first thing that I could come up with.
I still say the only way they're permanently going to fix it is if they send somebody down there with whatever tools they need to fix it. The depth is an issue, yes, but isn't there such a thing as a submarine? Just refit it with whatever is needed for it to get you down there. :)
But if the idea they're working on now actually works, and I mean really works, then I'll be happy. :) x2
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At the depths they are dealing with, anything is iffy. Sending humans down isn't going to accomplish much without a good plan. The have put a cap on the pipe.
It's easy to sit here and say they should do this, or do that. BP is loosing their shirt on this deal, and there is no reason to believe they are not doing everything they can to stop the flow. People who have spent their lives studying the ocean, oil drilling, engineering , and other related sciences are working diligently to come up with a working solution.
But don't think I am defending BP, the gov or anyone else involved. Greed and corruption caused this mess. Make no mistake about it, where there is are big profits to be made, you will find greed and corruption.
Obama's Speech: Fact Check (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_oil_spill_obama_fact_check;_ylt=AoPH8_vwhhx.jqmXr.ROd1GGOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTNpOWoyMThuBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNjE2L3VzX29pbF9zcGlsbF9vYmFtYV9mYWN0X2NoZWNrBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDMgRwb3MDMgRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3JpZXMEc2xrA2ZhY3RjaGVja29iYQ--)
Someone said, well we will clean it up look at the Exxon Valdez incident, there is no trace of it left, it's all but forgotten. Well, that is just plain wrong, decades later, there is still many areas that although they have been cleaned up, have not really recovered. Fisherman have lost their way of life, they were supposed to have been compensated, but have received nothing. And how do you compensated the generations following, who now cannot follow in the traditions of their fathers, or of the village? Again, the little people suffer. The small business fisherman, who owned one or two boats cannot survive a few years of not fishing. He will be forced to go work in some factory, or maybe the big oil company... and the ways are lost to his heirs. Boats will get repossesed, the big business will pick up the slack, and the fat get fatter.
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My question and main worry is, what happens if BP becomes bankrupt before this whole ordeal is done with? What happens to all the people who really need that compensation?
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No, the question is, what will happen to the BP employees when the people can't get that compensation? They'll hunt them down! >:D
EDIT!!!!: A-HAH!!! the > : D symbols translate into that emoticon!
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Greed and corruption caused this mess.
Uhm, no. Democrats and their wacko left wing Environmentalists caused this mess. Preventing drilling on land and in shallow waters caused this mess. Pushing Oil companies into deeper and deeper water caused this mess.
And halting Gulf of Mexico drilling is slamming another nail in the coffin of the United States.
Vote Democrat if you wish (it is your Constitutional right). I vote Republican. I vote American. 'nuff said.
Time to take America back and restore her to her former GLORY of just a few years ago. Long live America!
(I'm not the one who started this thread heh). :)
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Greed and corruption caused this mess.
Uhm, no. Democrats and their wacko left wing Environmentalists caused this mess. Preventing drilling on land and in shallow waters caused this mess. Pushing Oil companies into deeper and deeper water caused this mess.
And halting Gulf of Mexico drilling is slamming another nail in the coffin of the United States.
Vote Democrat if you wish (it is your Constitutional right). I vote Republican. I vote American. 'nuff said.
Time to take America back and restore her to her former GLORY of just a few years ago. Long live America!
(I'm not the one who started this thread heh). :)
This is definitely not the place to be spouting propaganda about how one party is un-american.
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Right.
I was watching on the news a few minutes ago. There were a bunch of people asking questions of the CEO of BP and I have never heard of such stupid crap that they kept asking him about! "How many deep sea oil drills do you have?" "I don't know the exact numbers. We do have a lot." "Ok, and were you aware of this particular well before the incident?" "No I wasn't."
How the hell should he know exactly about this one? What would he have known that was important before the accident? He only has 100000000000 other wells to worry about!
"Who's the inspector out there?" Do they honestly need to know?
"How often are So and So meeting?" What? Do you want to know their schedual?
"Blah blah blah E equals M C Squared....?" wat?
STOP ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS! Instead, ask "how can we help you?" The man is (hopefully) doing everything he can to fix the problem and all these people are doing are interrigating him and wasting his time.
Now why wouldn't the umbrella work? Liquid freezes? I thought about that, but it is flowing liquid. That does not freeze too easily. Plus it is salt water which lowers the freezing temperature. Make the umbrella aerodynamic so that the liquid has no where to catch on, sit still for a while, and freeze.
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NUMBERZero, you've given a good point. All mostly everyone has done about the matter is be constantly asking questions about what happened, try and pin the blame on somebody, and essentially demand that BP does something to clean up (which, despite circumstances, is a little unfair).
Now yes, there is blame to be given, and questions about what happened (and why) that should be asked, but is that really so important to do right now? What we should really be doing is figuring out ways to help get this mess cleaned up before it gets any more worse than it already has, which really shouldn't have gotten this far anyway.
DwnUnder, don't even start saying which political party is to blame for this, because that's mere disillusionment. Republicans and Democrats are only united under a common cause in writing. They're really all just separate men with their own personal agendas. They'll just as sooner shun one of their "own" than befriend them. Just so long as it gives them personal benefit. I decided a long time ago that I don't like either political party for this exact reasons.
In fact, I don't like politics in general. Don't even don't want to touch it with a ten foot pole, but sometimes ya just got to. This is one of those times for me.
It's not really the time or the place for it, though. It's PD, after all, not the DBB.
I guess what I'm saying is that lets not get too political about this. Please. :)
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I don't see what politics has to do with this at all, honestly. Is BP going around waving a "WE ARE DEMOCRATS, WE CAUSED THIS!" sign? Because otherwise, I really don't see what politics has to do with this. This is big business, not politics.
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Politics fits into it depending on who you want to blame this mess on. Some would be more than happy to blame this oil spill on the current administration. :-\
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I blame it on, ya know, the company.
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Well, if we really want to argue the point, I probably could find a plausible way to pin it on the government (but not necessarily any one political party) in addition to the company.
But please, let's not. :)
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Now why wouldn't the umbrella work? Liquid freezes? I thought about that, but it is flowing liquid. That does not freeze too easily. Plus it is salt water which lowers the freezing temperature. Make the umbrella aerodynamic so that the liquid has no where to catch on, sit still for a while, and freeze.
We're not talking about ice water here, but methane hydrate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_hydrate) instead. It's nasty stuff to deal with, and it's what stopped the original containment box plan from functioning properly.
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I had come up with an idea to fix this, yet everyone tells me that its not plausible.
If I had a leak in my exhaust I would cut an aluminum can lengthwise, and cut out the tops and bottoms of it so it would be like a rolled up sheet. Then I would simply take two clamps and tighten them down so it would keep the exhaust couldn't escape.
I understand that the leak is pouring oil out at a substantial rate, and its WAY, WAY, WAY, down there, but in all honesty, could it work to the same effect if they had the means? (I believe they do, btw, they're just using the leak as fuel for Obama's "alternative energy" propaganda. !!!JUST AN OPINION!!!)
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Your exhaust runs at about 2 or 3 psi of back-pressure, the oil well is at about 15,000 psi. And many times the volume. The have in fact capped the well. The problem now is they cannot close it off completely. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, after all, the well was closed off before the explosion and they were able to deal with the flow then. But I am in no position to second guess them, they have studied the problem, have people who specialize in this sorta stuff and I am sure nobody wants this resolved more than BP. If it were me, I would just wrap it with duct tape. ;)
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Oh yeah, duct tape can fix just about anything. :P
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WTB 1 roll XL duct tape
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Make that waterproof, XL duct tape. ;)
And we need a good swimmer to go put it on. :o
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Well, facts seem to be that the oil platform had severe technical problems and that BP bribed themselves out of fixing them.
There isn't anything more stupid than blaming environmentalists for pollution btw. I also cannot understand people raging against them when they are trying to preserve some of the greatest treasures in the form of landscapes and nature the U.S. of A. has.
It is plain stupid how this is turned into an ideologic war.
There are so many examples how the greed of big companies who can buy themselves into and out of everything has ruined the environment and harmed people big time - but when you say it certain people start yelling at you and would probably like to kill you.
That's pure idiocy if you ask me.