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Title: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Alieo on April 30, 2013, 01:32:14 PM
Got a new computer; Windows 8. I remember WillyP saying a really good anti-virus software he uses... security essentials... or something... what was it? And is it free? Anyone else has any other suggestions?

Also, I got this Win8 because it DOES allow me to use the old MS-Paint from XP. Heck yes. Mario Maps lives on!
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Pumo on April 30, 2013, 03:08:27 PM
Well, I've used both Security Essentials and Avast! Free Anti-Virus and I like both of them pretty much, although Avast! is the one I use on most of my computers.

And both are free, of course. ;)
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Alieo on April 30, 2013, 03:20:40 PM
Security Essentials! THAT was the one! Thanks!
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: TechPro on April 30, 2013, 03:42:57 PM
I much prefer running AVG, despite the occasional ad ("Please Buy Me!") and occasional attempts to convince me to ad their AVG Toolbar.   I've had to clean up too many systems that had only Security Essentials.  Haven't had to clean up very many systems running AVG.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Pumo on April 30, 2013, 03:47:22 PM
Good to know. In my own experience, I also haven't had to clean any of my systems that has Avast!, so I guess that AVG and Avast! might be better than Security Essentials.

I've used Security Essentials only on Windows XP Mode and it works fine, but I use Avast! on my main OS (Windows 7 64-bit or 32-bit, depending on computer) and I'm pretty satisfied with it.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Scyphi on May 01, 2013, 06:26:48 AM
Ditto on AVG. It gets the job done quite nicely, and for me, usually does it's job pretty quietly.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on May 01, 2013, 06:37:19 AM
I'm sane with AVG.  It doesn't use up more cpu and memory than it has to, unlike Norton...
That's important on a computer where I'm trying to play games like Maniaplanet, that it barely supports graphically.  I don't need to turn the antivirus off to get a decent framerate.

So I stay sane.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Scyphi on May 01, 2013, 07:04:01 AM
When I got my current laptop, it came with a free trial of Norton that I went ahead and used, just to see the results. The only thing I noticed that it did that AVG did not, though, was that it was more likely to bring up pop-up stuff reminding me of this and that, especially as said free trial neared it's end. Other than that, it felt like it preformed exactly like AVG, so once the free trial ended, I switched back to AVG...been using it ever since with no regrets.

Unfortunately, Norton hasn't taken the hint. Every now and then I still get an e-mail from them reminding me the free trial ended and that my computer is "at risk" unless I renew my subscription with them, like there wasn't any other options that I could pursue.  ::)
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on May 01, 2013, 07:45:21 AM
Well that's what they want you to think :P.
Such an arrogant program...

BTW Scyphi, is your sig quote from 8-bit Theater?  It sounds familiar, and it sounds like something Fighter or Red Mage would say...
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: -<WillyP>- on May 01, 2013, 12:16:21 PM
My son got a win8 laptop and I tried to install Security Essentials. However it wouldn't let me as there is something specific for Windows 8 that replaced it. Just needed to make sure it was turned on. Windows Defender, or something like that.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: TechPro on May 01, 2013, 07:56:26 PM
Well that's what they want you to think :P.
Such an arrogant program...

BTW Scyphi, is your sig quote from 8-bit Theater?  It sounds familiar, and it sounds like something Fighter or Red Mage would say...
His sig quote comes from a very pink and 'energetic' animated character.  No 8-bit Theater.  . . . . . . . . .  You could google the quote.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on May 02, 2013, 07:12:07 AM
Well, I'm not one to judge.  I'm still hooked on Doctor Who...
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Scyphi on May 02, 2013, 08:09:41 AM
Well that's what they want you to think :P.
Such an arrogant program...

BTW Scyphi, is your sig quote from 8-bit Theater?  It sounds familiar, and it sounds like something Fighter or Red Mage would say...
His sig quote comes from a very pink and 'energetic' animated character.  No 8-bit Theater.  . . . . . . . . .  You could google the quote.

Techpro would know, she's his favorite character. ;)
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Foil on May 02, 2013, 02:08:08 PM
My son got a win8 laptop and I tried to install Security Essentials. However it wouldn't let me as there is something specific for Windows 8 that replaced it. Just needed to make sure it was turned on. Windows Defender, or something like that.

Yep, the functionality of Security Essentials is now built-in to Windows Defender in Win8.

Personally, I've had zero issues with SE.  I use it on every Windows Vista/7/8 machine in my home.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Matthew on May 03, 2013, 07:14:32 AM
Yes, Microsoft's antivirus protection is become quite good. Not to mention it's free with a valid Windows license.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Alieo on May 04, 2013, 10:44:10 PM
Okay so if Windows 8 now has this Windows Defender built into it... why do I keep getting an offer to activate my trial of Trend Micro? What do y'all think of Trend Micro? I'll wait to hear what y'all think before I do anything about it... y'all! (Y'all just HAD to read another "y'all" in there, huh y'all?)
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Pumo on May 04, 2013, 11:39:43 PM
Well, I don't like Trend Micro at all.

I did use their anti-virus back in the past, but it usually tends to slow down the system, and  I've had several virus attacks even with the anti-virus activated, so it's a bad one for me (as well as Norton, another bad experience I had).

In short, and IMHO: Stay away from Norton and Trend Micro.

The only thing I liked a bit about Trend Micro was their online anti-virus for quick checking files, but I don't know if it still works nowadays. :P

I would insist, use either Avast! or Windows Security Ess./Defender.

Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: -<WillyP>- on May 05, 2013, 11:37:16 AM
I'll second what Pumo said.

I also use Spybot Search and Destroy, and HitmanPro.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Matthew on May 08, 2013, 01:29:31 PM
Okay so if Windows 8 now has this Windows Defender built into it... why do I keep getting an offer to activate my trial of Trend Micro? What do y'all think of Trend Micro? I'll wait to hear what y'all think before I do anything about it... y'all! (Y'all just HAD to read another "y'all" in there, huh y'all?)
Because manufacturers partner with antivirus and other companies to get more money.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Sidhe Priest on June 21, 2013, 10:08:43 PM
SIGH. You'd better downgrade to XP or something decent, anything starting with Vista is paranoid schisophrene.

Anyway, the best paid antivirus is Kaspersky's AV. Kills anything, plenty of stuff that AVG and Avast and the like won't ever catch.

A good free antivirus is Avira.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Scyphi on June 22, 2013, 06:43:12 AM
Quote from: Sidhe Priest
SIGH. You'd better downgrade to XP or something decent, anything starting with Vista is paranoid schisophrene.

Not the Windows 7 that I've been using for the past two or three years. Dunno what Windows system you use, but it apparently not the same thing I've been using.  :-\
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Sidhe Priest on June 22, 2013, 12:22:48 PM
It's a heavily modded XP which has no traces of MS cretinism in it (e. g. the shells are EVWM/Geoshell, both pretty comfortable, the file manager is Total Commander, etc.). In W7 there's a lot of madness around pseudo-root privileges and its stupid network division into home/public has been a source of worry for a little pet company whose manager often calls for support. Not to mention the GUI has degenerated, you can't even open a start menu directory with a hover or single click as in the normal explorer shell of XP and below. It's just degenerate, XP had its own annoyances and insanity (like SFC and prefetcher), but it is fixable with a simple script. Anything above it has degenerated horribly.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Sidhe Priest on June 22, 2013, 12:24:19 PM
Avira has its quirks, and it loves to spam the user with "buy the paid version" windows, but it does have much better detection than either Avast, AVG, or any other free antivirus. These two really are sloppy, look for free AV rankings/tests, they won't ever rank high.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Matthew on June 23, 2013, 12:38:31 AM
Sidhe, it seems to me that perhaps Windows is not the OS for you, and you should use Linux?
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Sidhe Priest on June 24, 2013, 04:07:22 PM
Well no, actually Windows ought to be made right from start. There's too much fluff and bad design in there. For instance, instead of burdening everyone with stupid "public/home" net separation (and useless firewall in XP), vulnerable services like RPC (the source of the Blaster worm) had to be turned on by demand (just like file-sharing) for LAN filesharing. It's as simple as that, the same with junk like VBScript - why invite virus-writing by making a system-wide script system that could do anything open to anyone (in the first versions it could be activated through plain HTML pages)?

And the UI just has to be straightforward, no insane delayed multi-click menus and schisophrenic categories in Control Panel instead of normal applets. It's all so simple, but they're so bloated with pride, they consider whichever mad caprice possesses them to be what everyone has to be shoved into. How difficult is preserving a simple start menu as in Windows 95? Nobody needs the extra bloat/stupidity added in later versions anyway. A GUI has to work at the speed of thought and never make itself noticeable, it's just an interface, a function. Not something that constantly buggers the user.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on June 24, 2013, 04:37:25 PM
Yeah, but everybody knows Microsoft is an idiot :P.  The people who use Windows use it because they like the rest of it enough to not mind that.  You're not sounding like someone who likes the rest of it enough to not mind that.
If you don't like it and the things you don't like aren't going to get fixed anytime soon, then why not use a different OS?  Especially one that's free.  The alternative is to just keep complaining, and eventually you're just using Windows as an excuse to complain when you could have freed yourself from it long ago. 
Complaining doesn't solve your problems.  Doing something about your problems solves your problems.  Complaining about a problem when you're not giving the people you're complaining to any good reason you're not solving the problem yourself is called whining.  And it accomplishes nothing.

On a lighter note, I personally use Windows Vista, and even though I can understand the problems other people see in it, they don't bother me.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Sidhe Priest on June 24, 2013, 04:39:26 PM
The solution is hacking it all, and never using bundled MS apps. Then it won't bother. Every single bit of it that's a bother and can be fixed with something better, must be.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on June 24, 2013, 04:40:55 PM
Go ahead if you want to.  That's certainly a solution.
But don't expect the rest of us to do the same :P.  We probably don't care about it enough for it to bother us in the first place.

It's a travesty, I know ;D.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Sidhe Priest on June 24, 2013, 04:43:41 PM
Are you trying to be annoying? 'cause seriously it's a matter of others' [in]sanity whether they're careless enough. Carelessness, by itself, is madness though.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Sidhe Priest on June 24, 2013, 04:47:53 PM
In other news, the old Audigy-2 Creative drivers apparently can't stand the new multicore CPU, SIGH. So whether it'll all work is a matter of drivers that work...
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on June 24, 2013, 06:29:31 PM
I'm not trying to be annoying.  Are you trying to be insulting?
I'm trying to say that people are allowed to have their preferences.  Just because you like to use your computer a certain way doesn't mean EVERYBODY should have to use their computers that way.  I like Windows Vista the way it is, and that isn't a crime no matter how much you might want it to be.
Why should you try to force everybody to configure their computers your way?  Do you really not see the arrogance in that?

I don't want to get into a big argument over this.  It's silly.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Scyphi on June 24, 2013, 06:56:00 PM
Too late.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on June 24, 2013, 07:21:50 PM
Lol yeah.

But I will not take holier-than-thou attitudes and "My way is the right way, any other way is wrong" talk from ANYBODY.  Even somebody on my buddy list.  I am properly pissed right now.
I'm sorry, but I'm trained to get mad.  For somebody like me, not getting mad means people just walk all over you.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Alieo on June 24, 2013, 08:07:59 PM
In other news, the old Audigy-2 Creative drivers apparently can't stand the new multicore CPU, SIGH. So whether it'll all work is a matter of drivers that work...

Speaking of drivers, I notice that I am unable to record audio from stereo mix anymore. Only options are "Line-In" and "Microphone". I want to be able to record mixes I do, or other "What-U-Hear" things from my computer. What kind of driver do I need for this? Or is this not a driver issue?


I like Windows Vista the way it is, and that isn't a crime no matter how much you might want it to be.

It should be. :P I'm sorry, but Vista royally sucks arse. Every big company comes out with their biggest regret, and Microsoft's Vista is like Cadillac's HT4100 engine of the mid 80s.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on June 24, 2013, 09:25:35 PM
Yeah, I get why people don't like it.
But I don't have a problem with any of that stuff.  We all know how different my tastes are from most people.  So lock me up, officer. :P

Hey, if ignorance is a form of insanity, S-Priest and I should both prove we're sane.  After all, neither of us wants to argue with a madman!  (Well, I might, but that's a whole other argument...)
So... if ignorance is insanity, then let's define sanity as not being ignorant.  If S-Priest can answer these three questions, I'll accept that he's not ignorant of anything, and therefore he is sane, and therefore he is worth the trouble of an argument.  If he doesn't answer them all correctly or if I fail his test then unfortunately, we will have proven ourselves ignorant of existant matters, and thus not sane.

So my test is, three very different questions.  An academics battle, if you like.  Or a google battle, as it could be.
All these questions have actual objective answers by the way.  And I do know the answers to them all, whether or not I turn out to be sane.

1. What are the two most common names of the animal known as Paradoxurus hermaphroditus?
2. What do the vast majority of psychologists agree about concerning Freud's theories?
3. What is my deepest desire?

So there you go!  Prove you're sane!  Everybody else is welcome to try too.
Am I trying to be annoying now?  Maybe.  But you've got to admit this makes a dangerous amount of sense.

@Texace again -- I'm-- Oh crap I don't know the answer to your question!  I never bothered to learn how Audigy 2 drivers work because I've never had an Audigy 2!  I'm ignorant!  I guess I'm not sane...
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Sidhe Priest on June 24, 2013, 09:44:57 PM
SIGH. That was exactly the in-joke of the reply. As in, everybody can have their own insanity even if it involves carelessness, which is a form of madness technically. There was no imposition whatsoever of a given Windows setup on anyone (in case you haven't noticed, there wasn't even anything too specific mentioned). It's you who's seeing red where there isn't any.

However, a bit more seriously...

Everyone ought to care about this world and harmony in it, that's a basic. But as they don't, well, insanity slowly but surely engulfs them. Delivered through perverted interfaces of something like W8 or Vista or whatnot. That, sadly, is reality. Too much carelessness adds up to evil. This is how evil is viewed in classical oriental philosophy, by the way, including Chinese wisdom. Evil is not something abstract that needs to be beaten up, as the Western mythology often has it; it is the consequence of increased and uncared neglect for the details of existence.
Title: Creative Drivers
Post by: Sidhe Priest on June 24, 2013, 09:52:32 PM
@Texace: try these Creative drivers (http://www.hardwareheaven.com/pax-download-audigy-series/221003-official-pax-sb-audigy-series-all-os-driver-2013-v1-00-default-edition.html). You may have to unhide "what-you-hear" in the Windows record mixer though.

Also:

(http://www.solarstudios.net/images/Multidevice.png)

- after some cleanup and re-seating in a different PCI slot, it worked. That was after a BSOD and a few reboots though. The morale is, clean your old PCI cards :-\

By-the-by, the devices here are: Focusrite Saffire 40, the integrated motherboard Realtek thingie, the Creative SB Audigy-2 gold, and Roland UA-1G. That's 4 sound devices total.

So... Now there's true EAX in all games. What matters more though, there's a hardware Soundfont synth.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on June 25, 2013, 07:21:29 AM
Ooookay... it sounded like you were attacking me.
And it's not like I've never seen anything like this before.  It's amazing how hard it is to tell online people to stick their snouts out of your (or anybody else's) business.

I agree with you about sanity in principle, ignorance of important things is maladaptive.  The question is, who defines what is important?  My pet theory is that sanity is like the ideal gas laws.  It's a nice idea but it's never really existed.  That seems to be what you're getting at though.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: VANGUARD on June 25, 2013, 07:03:00 PM
The people who use Windows use it because they like the rest of it enough to not mind that.

If you don't like it and the things you don't like aren't going to get fixed anytime soon, then why not use a different OS?  Especially one that's free.  The alternative is to just keep complaining, and eventually you're just using Windows as an excuse to complain when you could have freed yourself from it long ago. 
Complaining doesn't solve your problems.  Doing something about your problems solves your problems.

I tend to agree, and maybe this matter has been addressed well enough.
I didn't entirely mind Windows, but got sick of the viruses, and the constant updates. A Linux based system (most being free) solved that issue.

Now I enjoy computers for the most part. To each their own though. Some may need one system over another, if dual boot is not an option.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Scyphi on June 26, 2013, 05:52:07 AM
Everyone ought to care about this world and harmony in it, that's a basic. But as they don't, well, insanity slowly but surely engulfs them. Delivered through perverted interfaces of something like W8 or Vista or whatnot. That, sadly, is reality. Too much carelessness adds up to evil. This is how evil is viewed in classical oriental philosophy, by the way, including Chinese wisdom. Evil is not something abstract that needs to be beaten up, as the Western mythology often has it; it is the consequence of increased and uncared neglect for the details of existence.

So...are you basically saying that anyone who uses a Windows operating system is evil and/or insane, or am I just misreading it?

Please tell me I'm just misreading it.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Kaiaatzl on June 26, 2013, 08:02:13 AM
I didn't see that paragraph.  Now I'm a bit mad again.

I think I have better things to do with my time that increase the harmony of the world, than spending months hacking and then bugfixing an operating system I already like.
Like giving money to save whales, or lobbying the Harper Government to re-enact laws that protect places and species.  Telling California to protect the kit fox better.  Telling Texas to protect the ocelot better.  Advocating for people with disabilities.  Trying to end discrimination against minorities, or against sexual orientations...  Telling people to treat people as people, all the while wondering so much why they need to be told.  Or glaring angrily at Joyce Bateman (which I got to do yesterday).  But I've done almost all of these things, both online and in real life.  There's so much more out there and all of it is so much more real than Windows.

So if you're not doing anything about any of that, if you haven't experienced that, don't you dare preach about increasing the harmony of the world by rearranging your start menu.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: VANGUARD on June 26, 2013, 11:51:22 AM
Everyone ought to care about this world and harmony in it, that's a basic. But as they don't, well, insanity slowly but surely engulfs them. Delivered through perverted interfaces of something like W8 or Vista or whatnot. That, sadly, is reality. Too much carelessness adds up to evil. This is how evil is viewed in classical oriental philosophy, by the way, including Chinese wisdom. Evil is not something abstract that needs to be beaten up, as the Western mythology often has it; it is the consequence of increased and uncared neglect for the details of existence.

So...are you basically saying that anyone who uses a Windows operating system is evil and/or insane, or am I just misreading it?

Please tell me I'm just misreading it.

I think you misread that. I'm guessing it basically means that people who design stuff carelessly are the evils ones, not the users.
That's how I read it anyway.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Scyphi on June 26, 2013, 02:36:10 PM
I certainly hope I'm misreading it.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: -<WillyP>- on June 29, 2013, 05:30:00 AM
I think if you use something carelessly, that is just as evil as the maker of something designed or made carelessly. Where is the virtue in a product well designed, carefully thought out, manufactured to a high standard of quality, but in the hands of some idiot who neither appreciates nor understands the care given to it by the maker?

Or do you assume that supplier = evil, consumer = victim?

And the user could certainly be guilty of carelessly using a careless product, either from choosing the wrong product, or, in this case I think what he's getting at, carelessly using it in a manner that is careless.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Scyphi on June 29, 2013, 07:45:28 AM
This is true of Windows; if you use it carelessly (like most people apparently), then it's not going to preform well. In my experience, though, Windows is actually a fair to very reliable operating system (depending on what version you're using) if you care for it properly. And I think that's what most people have a problem with Windows, they just don't want to take care of it, or feel one should have to do that much to care for it, but hey, to each their own.

Personally, I love my Windows 7. Haven't found a single thing to complain about it, ever, so much so I'll probably be a little sad to lose it when it inevitably comes time to upgrade.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: VANGUARD on June 29, 2013, 06:06:10 PM
How I see it:

Supplier = evil, consumer = stupid
Supplier = evil, consumer says product is good and offers it to another = evil

Maybe stupid is a harsh word. There's a reason I'm on Linux. I just got sick of Windows, the viruses, the OS getting all sluggish. Too many headaches.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Matthew on June 30, 2013, 11:16:31 AM
So, how did we reach the conclusion that microsoft/windows was evil and people who use it are stupid?  >:(
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: -<WillyP>- on June 30, 2013, 02:14:01 PM
Likewise I have no complaint about 7. I didn't have much to complain about XP either. Except maybe it wouldn't make a backup to DVD.

Well maybe one thing, which maybe is not Windows related at all, is that it sometimes forgets what resolution I have chosen. I set it to 1600x1200, and every so often it changes, like today when I turned it on and it booted up in 640x480. This happens once or twice a month, or sometimes a couple times in a week.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Matthew on June 30, 2013, 09:39:48 PM
Likewise I have no complaint about 7. I didn't have much to complain about XP either. Except maybe it wouldn't make a backup to DVD.

Well maybe one thing, which maybe is not Windows related at all, is that it sometimes forgets what resolution I have chosen. I set it to 1600x1200, and every so often it changes, like today when I turned it on and it booted up in 640x480. This happens once or twice a month, or sometimes a couple times in a week.
Sounds like driver problems/updates.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: TechPro on June 30, 2013, 11:13:29 PM
Likewise I have no complaint about 7. I didn't have much to complain about XP either. Except maybe it wouldn't make a backup to DVD.

Well maybe one thing, which maybe is not Windows related at all, is that it sometimes forgets what resolution I have chosen. I set it to 1600x1200, and every so often it changes, like today when I turned it on and it booted up in 640x480. This happens once or twice a month, or sometimes a couple times in a week.
Sounds like driver problems/updates.
Video card, or the video card's driver.  Either it is having an issue now and then, or it (the video card) isn't always detecting the monitor's abilities.  Without proper monitor ability feedback, XP jumps to a "safe" video mode that is sure to be viewable on pretty much anything.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: VANGUARD on July 01, 2013, 03:52:40 AM
So, how did we reach the conclusion that microsoft/windows was evil and people who use it are stupid?  >:(

Can't accept a joke? No one is dumb is using Windows. Some people need it for schooling or a job. Some need Apple more, or Linux.

I for one don't need a specific OS to do what I need, so I just picked one that doesn't bog down all the time, needing anti-viruses left and right, and one that has a lot of neat software for free that does the job well.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Matthew on July 01, 2013, 08:14:18 PM
So, how did we reach the conclusion that microsoft/windows was evil and people who use it are stupid?  >:(

Can't accept a joke? No one is dumb is using Windows. Some people need it for schooling or a job. Some need Apple more, or Linux.

I for one don't need a specific OS to do what I need, so I just picked one that doesn't bog down all the time, needing anti-viruses left and right, and one that has a lot of neat software for free that does the job well.
So, you upgraded from Windows ME to Windows 7? :P
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: VANGUARD on July 02, 2013, 03:44:22 AM
Anything from Windows ME is an upgrade  ;D

I'm sure Vista is also better than ME. I did try almost all Windows systems, even while on Linux. I was quite impressed with the Windows XP Pro 64bit edition.
Very nice system, even though I don't care for Windows. If I were to use Windows again, and if it was still a supported system (no clue if it is or isn't), I'd buy that one.

It's just nice to turn on a computer and use it. Linux can be a little annoying in ways, sure. But I guess I'd rather accept a challenge to get something to work than dealing with (anti)viruses all the time, and having the PC slow down as if it's about to die. Well, okay, maybe just a sick kind of slow.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Matthew on July 02, 2013, 08:10:40 AM
It's just nice to turn on a computer and use it.
So... Not linux then? ;)

Not needing an antivirus is only partially true. Linux can basically be infected the same with Windows can, if there were actually enough people using Linux to be worth it. Likewise, the same way you protect a linux machine will  protect a windows machine: Common sense. Keep software updated, don't run things you aren't sure about. I've only ever gotten 1 virus (which I had taken care of in less than 10 minutes), and only ever had 2 stopped by my antivirus. You make it sound like viruses are a daily occurrence for windows. Perhaps they are, for someone with the worst possible computer use practices. But for most competent computer users, viruses are a rarity. As for "slowing down as it's about to die", that may have been true a long time ago. It's not an issue with Windows 7. I've been using the same installation since I built this computer 2.5 years ago, and any issues have been 100% verifiably my fault. (Or steam. Steam updates slow things down like crazy)
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: VANGUARD on July 02, 2013, 08:23:59 AM
Maybe I was just unlucky with Windows. There have been a few moments, not too often, where I would have something installed on my Windows OS that I did not agree to.
And a friend of mine got something installed while watching an official trailer to the original Assassin's Creed.

I'm sure it wasn't daily, maybe I just make it sound like it happens daily.
My computer (Win XP) did slow down after like a day or two. All I did was install Call of Duty 2 (official DVD game I got from Best Buy, or Amazon, not something I downloaded), and sure enough, already slowed the PC down.

It's nice to turn on a computer, like Linux :) and use it.
Apple is nice in one way, for those who want things to run well. I was bored with it, because Apple and Linux are very different.
Linux offers a lot of (free) software, just search and download. Apple, not all are free, and you're far more limited to what you can get.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Scyphi on July 03, 2013, 06:12:26 AM
Quote from: Vanguard
All I did was install Call of Duty 2 (official DVD game I got from Best Buy, or Amazon, not something I downloaded), and sure enough, already slowed the PC down.

That's not necessarily the OS's fault. All computers tend to slow down the more you fill their hard drives with data. The fuller they become, the slower the machine runs, most likely because it has the more information to sort through. And games can be major resource hogs (Techpro once showed me a breakdown of data space used by specific programs on a computer, and no matter how you cut it, the games always used up the most. Descent 3, even, despite it being several years old now and no longer state-of-the-art, is a little hoggy).

Quote from: IHateHackers
It's not an issue with Windows 7. I've been using the same installation since I built this computer 2.5 years ago, and any issues have been 100% verifiably my fault.

Pretty much everything about this statement is true for me (even the time frame is about right :o). Like I said before, I have nothing to complain about Windows 7. Any problems encountered have either been the fault of the computer itself (and not the OS), single programs that were installed onto said computer, or just me doing something stupid. And even then that's all rare, because I know enough about computers to avoid doing most stupid things, don't usually install many new programs on a computer after awhile save a new game (in which case I check well before obtaining said game if it'll run well on the system), and the computer itself has actually preformed well, save for a pesky cooling issue that it has (it's fan gets clogged fairly easily and requires cleaning frequently. Compare this with my old laptop, which I do not recall EVER having to clean it's fan as it just kept on chugging relentlessly despite its age and nearly-full hard drive).
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: VANGUARD on July 03, 2013, 06:26:36 AM
Quote from: Vanguard
All I did was install Call of Duty 2 (official DVD game I got from Best Buy, or Amazon, not something I downloaded), and sure enough, already slowed the PC down.

That's not necessarily the OS's fault. All computers tend to slow down the more you fill their hard drives with data. The fuller they become, the slower the machine runs, most likely because it has the more information to sort through. And games can be major resource hogs (Techpro once showed me a breakdown of data space used by specific programs on a computer, and no matter how you cut it, the games always used up the most. Descent 3, even, despite it being several years old now and no longer state-of-the-art, is a little hoggy).

But I installed it on Linux, along with other games, like Descent 3, American Mcgee's Alice, Doom 3, etc, and somehow, Linux remained at the same speed. and funny thing is, it ran the games smoother than Windows itself.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Scyphi on July 03, 2013, 06:39:27 AM
Well, I said it wasn't ALWAYS the OS's fault, but I didn't rule out that it might still have been.

And I'm no Linux expert, so I could totally off the trail on this, but aren't most Linux systems built to be small, compact, and to take up as little space as possible? If so, that could account for the difference in performance right there, or at least part of it. Different computer specs could also account for that, assuming this took place on two different computers, but I figure that wasn't the case here.

Beyond that, an explanation as to why this might happen would be outside my range of knowledge (I'm probably already pushing it as is).
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Matthew on July 03, 2013, 07:26:43 AM
There's just no way that installing 1 game would noticeably slow down your computer unless there was an existing problem. Maybe the game installed some anti-cheat garbage that runs in the background at startup. Maybe your AV was a bit too overzealous with on-access scanning. It's impossible to say for sure here, but there's more at fault than just the OS. It's also worth noting you're talking about an OS now 4 versions old.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: VANGUARD on July 03, 2013, 07:46:18 AM

And I'm no Linux expert, so I could totally off the trail on this, but aren't most Linux systems built to be small, compact, and to take up as little space as possible? If so, that could account for the difference in performance right there, or at least part of it. Different computer specs could also account for that, assuming this took place on two different computers, but I figure that wasn't the case here.


There are some Linux distros that are small, like you said. There are also some that can fill up a CD or even a DVD. So some are at least 4 GB's, maybe more.
There are so many distros out there, small, home use, office (or it's home and office), and servers, etc...
Mine I think has it in CD or DVD. I think. One can also install more stuff on it.
I think one explained that Windows is a RAM hog. And that is what slows things down.
That may have been in older versions though. My knowledge in Windows is getting weaker.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: VANGUARD on July 03, 2013, 07:49:41 AM
There's just no way that installing 1 game would noticeably slow down your computer unless there was an existing problem. Maybe the game installed some anti-cheat garbage that runs in the background at startup. Maybe your AV was a bit too overzealous with on-access scanning. It's impossible to say for sure here, but there's more at fault than just the OS. It's also worth noting you're talking about an OS now 4 versions old.

It could be the RAM that slowed it down, since Windows is (or was) known for being a RAM hog.

Yes, it is an older version. I have very very little knowledge in anything beyond Vista. I had 7 at work, but I ran one simple program on it. I can barely even judge Vista. I just had issues with some things on Vista, and gave up early.

To anyone reading this. I am not bashing Windows, and praising Linux. It may seem like it. I just prefer a system that runs pretty nice.
Windows 7, from what I heard, is a great OS. Like I said, I never really used it. so it may be a great one. Vista bombed. I think most can agree to that. And Windows XP Pro (64bit edition) was great!
Not sure what did it, but going from XP to XP Pro 64bit in a Descent 3 game online, sure made a difference.
The games were smoother, and a lot easier to play.

Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: Matthew on July 03, 2013, 09:53:13 PM
Installing a game doesn't change the amount of RAM windows uses unless the game is running or the game installed something that runs at startup.
Title: Re: Favorite anti-virus?
Post by: VANGUARD on July 04, 2013, 05:54:15 AM
yeah. I'm not sure why it started to slow down to be honest. I just remember it doing so.